Do you believe that "Under God" should be removed from the Pledge in public schools?

I believe all religin should be removed from schools, including the pledge of alliegence. I, as a child, didn't say the "under G-d" part of the pledge. This nation was formed under the right of freedom of religion. I understand that most people believe in G-d, and I'm one of them, but there are also many unreligious children and children with different beliefs in those schools. If I were one of them, I would feel very uncomfortable in class. I might even feel oppressed or pressured into changing my beliefs.

The message I'm getting from this part of the pledge is that this nation was formed on the belief of monotheism. Though this might be true, the constitution says that religion should be separate from laws education, etc.

I know that, as long as there is religion, people will try to include it in education, despite the constitution. I can't change that, but I can disagree with it.
 
I think you underestimate the intelligence of a 6 year old and what they can comprehend...............

And that 6 year old is not only the people but the future which makes it even more imperative that he or she know the sacrafices others have made to make this country the great country it is........

I am not surprised you call it brainwashing though....... :rolleyes:
 
But this is a pledge to the country, and one of the modifiers of the country is "under God". This means that to pledge allegiance to the country you have to believe that it's under God. The quote I post again and again here is "'Under God' gives the same status to atheists as justice gives to perpetrators of injustice, freedom gives to tyrants, and indivisible gives to those wishing to divide the country". Just because god encompasses many religions does NOT mean it is ok. Not everyone believes in a god.
 
I don't think so. No matter what happens I control my actions and my life. I know I am responsable for everything that happens to me and that bad stuff that happens to me is my fault, not some guy in the sky. Also if I do something good, I take credit for my own work, I don't praise some guy in the sky. I follow the same morals you do, minus praying and church. I don't lie, I don't steal, and I don't do this stuff because I'm afraid of hell. I do it because I know it's the right thing to do and if there is a God, he would understand. If he won't understand, than he doesn't deserve me praying to him anyway.
 
Do you believe that "Under God" should be removed from the Pledge in public schools?

Well, I'm glad to see you reject your earlier claim that you knew what was right.


Since you belittle bible followers (with the phrase
 
The 6 year old doesn't get an option though do they? Must that six year old know what sacrafices will be made of them for the country against their wishes? Or is part of the whole sacrefice of previous generations so they can have that choice, talking about the supposed 'land of the free' here.
 
although I am an atheist, I don't really care, nor am I offended by the worRAB. Just don't ask me to say it! Don't ask me to teach it to my kiRAB!
 
I don't buy my own citation, so I don't think I can do that. 30% secular outlook doesn't mean ****. I have a secular outlook but I believe in something upstairs.
 
This dead horse is becoming rancid.

Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and state.

The liberals, communists and atheists of this country seem to be hung up on anything that has any kind of religious attachment. This country was FOUNDED on freedom of religion and its citizens are protected by the Constitution from having imposed religions and from being denied freedom of religion. It is not founded on nor should it be directed by the atheistic belief that there is no god.

Screw the atheists and their dead horses!
 
I don't say my idea is better, but it is my choice. People basing their decisions on the bible said "those who don't believe in God will wish they had". I said that I would rather decide for myself. I never said it was better, but it is my preference and it is also my preference that people don't force their "something" on me and I don't think I have forced my "something" on anyone else.
 
I don't mind it being there. I always just say "under the goRAB" anyway, and I say that others should edit it as appropriate to their own beliefs.

But the poll is too limited to get an accurate survey.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with church attendance........Its how many people believe in a divine being a God..............
 
I personally believe that a lot of atheists and non believers of God make a miraculous conversion when they are on their deathbed.........

As I said I am for separation of church and state but the left in this country want God thrown out of everything........They are only happy if this becomes a Godless country........Since the majority of people in this country are believers in God that must and will not happen..........

When I say God Bless America it is just not worRAB to me..........
 
However shouldn't that mean that government should stay out of any relgious debate. Fair enough it shouldn't legislate based of atheist ideas, but it shouldn't be legislating from the point of view of a religious one. There are plenty of relgions that don't beleive in God - so seperation of church and state does mean God and state if you really want to believe in freedom of religion.
 
This is my first reply, hopefully I get it right. And so far im not to sure. My font size appears to be about 3 inches long no matter how much i decrease it in size, lol.

The Pledge has been around since 1892, or there abouts. "Under God" was not added in until the 1950's or so. It survived just fine prior to being inserted during the first 50 years of its existance, if taken out it'll survive just fine again. And kiRAB will still continue to say it every morning, 5 days a week, all school year long with the same eageness that they have always shown.


Why do Christians feel that they must have the word God attached to and or plastered all over everything?
Don't you have enough faith in your God and your religion that they can stand on their own without having to make everyone else succomb to your wishes?
Is it because most of these Christian right wing political hungry whackos feel that now since we are actually the majority that we are under some sort of obligation to make others bend to our wishes?

God has not always been in the Pledge. God has not always been stamped on US currency. And God definately never had to be forced onto anyone that didnt want it.

Todays Christians need to get over themselves.
No one, and not even the left, want to take away our God.
Tough cookies, not everyone believes as we do. Not everyone will and theres nothing you can do about it. We can't force everyone to do what we want just because we outnumber the rest. Why must we insist that if we want to do something then those who disagree should just shutup and allow us to do it our way? Imagine what kind of reaction you'd all have is some school principle who happens to be a Moslem decides one day that he is going to make every child pary to his God Allah. I highly doubt that most of you are going to like the idea that your children will now have to say prayers to a God that you don't believe in. But, we expect others to accept ours?

Anyhoo's, as a Christian Conservative i'm getting sick and tired of hearing todays Christians whining about how they are so persecuted for their beliefs. Wah wah wah. I had always thought that it was supposed to be the democrats that were the whiners, but I guess I was mistaken.
 
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