Do NOT ask for Downloads! [Or Streaming Video Links]

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Edo said:
DOWNLOADING IS LEGAL!!!! UPLOADING IS ILLEGAL!!! It was supposed to work, because you can't download if no one uploads.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you. It IS illegal to download anything that falls under my previous post. Believe it or not, it's illegal whether you chose to or not. (Which is not to be confused with something actually happening to you for doing so, because that's often not the case)
 
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You know what, SakechanBD is right. Requesting Downloads is considered piracy and piracy is illegal.
 
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swatstrike said:
then you guys just read reviews, don't watch the actual anime or what? i mean it makes no sense to me. those people read the reviews and thought it would be interesting to find out where to download the animes they wanted. and if they post it here, they will be ban. what about making a thread just for them? thats my opinion
ANN only provides reviews for series that are licensed and are released or soon to be released. So if they review something and we are interested we can decide on purchasing. I believe the reviews' pages even provide release info for those interested in buying.

Also, have you bothered to read the posts here? Most of them provide more than just substantial reasoning for why ANN does not allow links or requesting downloads.

I'll admit that I download fansubs, but I know it is illegal and I completely understand and agree with ANN's policy about that here, so I don’t talk about or post them. Actually ANN has even stated that they are not here to tell us if fansubs are or are not legal, just that they wont allow links or requesting links to downloads. I think that is the most important reason not to do it, because it is a rule of this forum. It's not my forum, it is the ANN forums and the admins here are free to decide what and what not to allow.

If you really want to know some good reasons why it is good that it is not allowed to provide, allow posts to, or allow requests for downloads on ANN, take the time to read the posts in this topic.
 
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Edo said:
Like downloading is illegal. Educate yourself first, even if I am wrong in saying it is legal, it still is NOT illegal. Educate yourself first! Whose your source? The RIAA?[\I use tags like an idiot]

Getting a bit frustrated? Actually, Bamboo and I have been discussing this during the day, and we've come up with some interesting conclusions.(I even got a marshmallow chicken out of it) Most countries, Spain and France included, have copyright laws that specifically state that possessing a copyrighted work without permission is illegal. (It should be noted that the law applies even if we are only talking about part of a file) You can make the argument that the actual act of downloading is not illegal, EXCEPT it's impossible to download and not concurrently come into possession of the file wihout permission. Ergo, you cannot download copyrighted works without permission without breaking the law. In the interest of fairness, it should be noted that SOME countries, such as France, do have certain exceptions to the laws which enables people to download in CERTAIN situations legally. However, these people can still be sued/charged/etc. and it must be decided by a court that said downloading was, in fact, legal. Edo pointed out to me a recent court decision in France which, on the surface would almost appear to make downloading moves there legal. But, that's not the case. Another, very similar ruling went the opposite direction, and there are, in fact, several similar cases still pending. While some of them may be found innocent of wrong doing, others will not. And the truth of the matter is, with the fluidity of the laws, since it's up to a judge to determine if the act of downloading falls under the scope of the exception in the law, you can almost never be sure you are or are not breaking the law until someone charges you, you go to court, and are acquited or not.

It should also be noted that, to my knowledge (and I invite anyone who has information to the contrary to PM me), no country that we would be talking about here (France, Spain, Canada, etc.) has exceptions to their copyrights laws, without first having a tax on things such as blank media, to help recoup the money lost to companies via downloading.


As for the site you are referring to, I assume you mean LokiTorrent You can name it, because it's no longer a torrent site. :wink:

Since I'm fairly certain that most people's minds on either side of this debate won't be changed, and since the purpose of this thread was merely supposed to be an announcement, I suggest this thread would be better off locked.
 
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Areaseven thats priceless ^_^. I wonder if ANN should have links to LEGAL downloads(such as promos, trailers, teasers and whatnot by the companies that are licensed of course). Ie, for example ADV has some content on there site thats worth checking out in my humble opinion.
 
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woelfie said:
(I don't take into account the "Fair use doctrine". Since it is a typical US invention, I assume it's validity for the rest of the world is doubtful.)

Fair use is a US invention? I didn't know that, please enlighten me.

Anyways, regarless of where fair use was "invented" the clause exists in most countries copyright laws. Any country that is / was a signatory of the Berne convention will probably have something akin to fair use (although the name of the term varies from country to country).

-t
 
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Basically, what you're suggesting is that ANN give them free advertising space.
 
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dormcat said:
Ironically, in our experience those articles with the poorest written English are mostly posted by native English speakers. 8-)

It is ironic but when one learns a different language they try to use proper grammer otherwise they will think no one will know what they are saying. Also they probably don't know any slang in that language. I find that with my experiances with different languages. Also if English is ones first language then they know the slang and they already know people will understand them if they misspell something, etc. Since there are people here who arn't anglophones we should use proper English that way they will understand us better.
 
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Edo said:
Please follow the Grokster vs MGM case. Think 1984 Betamax ruling...

This really isn't the place to debate this, but if that's what you want.. Grokster vs MGM deals with whether Grokster can be held accountable for copyright infringment of their users, since Grokster did not actually cause the infringment to occur, the users did so themselves. Grokster may not be held liable, but individual users are completely liable if they infringe upon copyrights. The Betamax case was the same. Betamax couldn't be held responsible for any infringments created because someone who owned a Betamax copied a tape. The end user is very much liable, however. Like I said earlier, don't confuse something being illegal with someone knocking on your door trying to take you to jail, but it's illegal all the same.
 
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mistress_reebi said:
dormcat said:
Ironically, in our experience those articles with the poorest written English are mostly posted by native English speakers. 8-)

It is ironic but when one learns a different language they try to use proper grammer otherwise they will think no one will know what they are saying. Also they probably don't know any slang in that language. I find that with my experiances with different languages. Also if English is ones first language then they know the slang and they already know people will understand them if they misspell something, etc. Since there are people here who arn't anglophones we should use proper English that way they will understand us better.
I disagree. In my native Danish, I speak and write with proper use of grammar. I do so in English, too - and in any other language that I use.

The people who don't do so, aren't just making the assumption that people will probably understand them, regardless. They're being lazy. When I see their posts, I move my estimation of their intelligence down a notch (well, more than just a notch), because no person with half a brain would be caught dead posting such tripe.

- abunai
 
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4KrapSucks said:
Fansubs are illegal?

Yes, as they are unauthorised copies of copyrighted work, where the copyright holders have not expressed permission for fansubbers to make copies of their work, translated or not.
 
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swatstrike said:
then you guys just read reviews, don't watch the actual anime or what? i mean it makes no sense to me. those people read the reviews and thought it would be interesting to find out where to download the animes they wanted. and if they post it here, they will be ban. what about making a thread just for them? thats my opinion :D

Why should ANN be any different from a DVD review site? They watch the DVD, review it, and you read it to see if you'd like to rent/buy the DVD and check it out yourself. They didn't intend for you to read their reviews so you can download it online. Why is it any different with ANN and anime?

I think the problem with your post is that since you don't buy any DVDs and simply download every single one of them, that has become your norm - and thus it's incomprehensible for you that the people here put reviews and discuss about series yet never provide any download links. Not an uncommon problem for younger kids who know how to use the Internet a little bit and have come to believe that entertainment is now a right, not a privilege.
 
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The thread title needs to be about twice the size, and it should flash.

Subsequently, the obtaining of works that have been reproduced without authorization from the person who holds the rights to produce copies IS an infringement on copyright laws, which can lead to fines and imprisonment depending on where you are, and if you are charged.

It is illegal, however it's only punishable to the extent the original copyright holders will take it. Upload and Downloading is simply a means to an end in this case.
 
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....so i know that downloading is well..immoral, as someone from above had mention. but honestly if you're saying that it's wrong, are you telling me that you've *never* dowloaded a mp3? copied a cd, game, video? That you've *never* downloaded a music video etc.? Because honestly these are *all* considered "illegal" isn't it? If you're so into what's right and wrong then you should start telling people to stop "downloading, not just anime but all the other stuff altogether. Because if you considered them wrong then what about asking for downloads here then shouldn't downloading mp3 and such be illegal too? And yet millions and millions do this. If you've done anything from the above (what was listed) then you really have no right telling people to stop.

Sorry being rude and all but these posts are getting annoying both from people requesting and people reporting them.

And just to tell you i honestly don't care but the posts are really getting annoying. (i on't download since it freezes my comp., so i'm not just saying that because i'm on their side)

well that's just my opinion, but you really should leave it to the moderators.
 
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swatstrike said:
then you guys just read reviews, don't watch the actual anime or what? i mean it makes no sense to me. those people read the reviews and thought it would be interesting to find out where to download the animes they wanted. and if they post it here, they will be ban. what about making a thread just for them? thats my opinion :D

Or you see it could be that the people read the reviews, find it interesting and buy the anime.... Also, reviews are from a perspective of a person, and also it depends on the mood of a person. Although good reviewers can minimize that and think from a broader perspective, reviews should be taken lightly, and not something you should take to as a sole reason to get it... or not get it..

Why make another thread for them? A thread so that people who do not feel obligated to buy the anime so that they can provide themselves with entertainment for no charge?..

I too admit I get fansubs, but ultimately come around and buy the boxsets.
You might want to try buying the anime once in a while, because
#1. The anime boxes smell good :wink: better than new car smell.
#2. The anime box looks great on your shelf.
#3. You can watch the anime on your TV without burning something to a DVD.
and most importantly.
#4. It keeps anime companies sustained so that they can provide you with anime in the future...
oh and
#5. sometimes you can get a t-shirt or stickers :wink:
 
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