Derren Brown Live: Hero at 30,000 feet, C4 10pm
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He's an actor, the music-box scene was really fake.
As is this dream sequence.
Good drama, though.
As is this dream sequence.
Good drama, though.
burberryicon
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Slooooooooooow train 
Yes that's the one, cheers Rutakateki
If it was genuine then that is probably it.
Although as powerballjim said there wasn't just one or two things which made the whole thing unbelievable it was multiple things all throughout. The whole thing was ridiculous and a fully scripted show to try and get a motivational message across to the viewers. That is just not what many watch Derren Brown for, that kind of thing is usually expected for minor sub themes in family movies or cartoons (in a general tv and film sense), not for an illusionalist with Browns amazing past.
It wouldn't be as bad but Derren is trying to claim it was real on Matt and his families part and that makes him lose credibility in my eyes.
I will still watch the next time, I don't see why that is shock to some people as you can criticise and feel let down by something/one you like without turning your back on it/them.
If it was genuine then that is probably it.
Although as powerballjim said there wasn't just one or two things which made the whole thing unbelievable it was multiple things all throughout. The whole thing was ridiculous and a fully scripted show to try and get a motivational message across to the viewers. That is just not what many watch Derren Brown for, that kind of thing is usually expected for minor sub themes in family movies or cartoons (in a general tv and film sense), not for an illusionalist with Browns amazing past.
It wouldn't be as bad but Derren is trying to claim it was real on Matt and his families part and that makes him lose credibility in my eyes.
I will still watch the next time, I don't see why that is shock to some people as you can criticise and feel let down by something/one you like without turning your back on it/them.
Sarah Lilly
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Your career is finished DB.
djtragik951
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Yeah, I'll not take L Ron Hubbard's word on anything, if it's all the same to you.
Besides which, him explaining how he does something does not make it so. I could make a video about I hypnotise a sleeping person, it wouldn't make it factual.
Besides which, him explaining how he does something does not make it so. I could make a video about I hypnotise a sleeping person, it wouldn't make it factual.
sakuragirl29592
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its all a con..does matt think he is in some sort of reality tv programme and its being filmed?
the policemans house was too much.
next time my business gets broken in to no doubt the person reponsible (if caught) will say it was a Derren Brown trance!
the policemans house was too much.
next time my business gets broken in to no doubt the person reponsible (if caught) will say it was a Derren Brown trance!
Er, the cameras were small 'hidden' ones in most of those cases.
Personally I don't think the WHOLE thing was staged and that Matt, indeed, was genuine (i.e. not in on it). He's not an actor, just someone with the right kind of personality to just go along with everything that was happening to him, to just accept it like certain people would onstage during a hypnotism. He WAS in what Derren calls a 'dream-like' hypnotic state, you can technically call it that because he was behaving like he was hypnotised.
I think all the stuff with his girlfriend and family was scripted but Matt wasn't. All the story about him not having any confidence, all that was made up. Derren picked him in the first place 'cause he knew he would go with it, much like how he chooses people during his live shows.
The key thing is when he first meets Derren at night. As soon as Matt saw Derren he obviously knew right then he was part of a Derren show but he carried on like it was nothing in that same hypnotised way, not daring to ruin things. I really think this will have been the case.
We've seen setups like this before, just on a different scale. Derren never uses stooges for these setups, just mad people!
Personally I don't think the WHOLE thing was staged and that Matt, indeed, was genuine (i.e. not in on it). He's not an actor, just someone with the right kind of personality to just go along with everything that was happening to him, to just accept it like certain people would onstage during a hypnotism. He WAS in what Derren calls a 'dream-like' hypnotic state, you can technically call it that because he was behaving like he was hypnotised.
I think all the stuff with his girlfriend and family was scripted but Matt wasn't. All the story about him not having any confidence, all that was made up. Derren picked him in the first place 'cause he knew he would go with it, much like how he chooses people during his live shows.
The key thing is when he first meets Derren at night. As soon as Matt saw Derren he obviously knew right then he was part of a Derren show but he carried on like it was nothing in that same hypnotised way, not daring to ruin things. I really think this will have been the case.
We've seen setups like this before, just on a different scale. Derren never uses stooges for these setups, just mad people!
i see sounds
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I think you're about to be disappointed
**Promisy**
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I didn't think that "MethoRAB to create a crop circle are now well documented on the internet.[13]" was a particularly contentious claim in the first place and it does have it's own citation (same website). It doesn't claim that they are necessarily good methoRAB 
I only skimmed it, I thought it mentioned something about bending the stems at a right angle so that cerealogists would believe the cirlce to be genuine but I didn't really understand that bit. No doubt they also believe some nutty stuff as well, assuming they are not completely taking the piss!
Also, presumably crop circles don't really last very long so it's quite hard to do a proper study. A lot of this is eye witness stuff is it not? So stories of how certain "genuine" circles would be impossible to fake are bound to get exaggerated from time to time and no one can go back to those old circles and check up on the alleged supernatural quality workmanship.
I only skimmed it, I thought it mentioned something about bending the stems at a right angle so that cerealogists would believe the cirlce to be genuine but I didn't really understand that bit. No doubt they also believe some nutty stuff as well, assuming they are not completely taking the piss!
Also, presumably crop circles don't really last very long so it's quite hard to do a proper study. A lot of this is eye witness stuff is it not? So stories of how certain "genuine" circles would be impossible to fake are bound to get exaggerated from time to time and no one can go back to those old circles and check up on the alleged supernatural quality workmanship.
Over The Line!!
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None of his shows are real.
He can't guess lottery numbers.
He can't guess the result to horse races.
He did a whole series exposing fakes.
C'mon people.. surely you understand.
He can't guess lottery numbers.
He can't guess the result to horse races.
He did a whole series exposing fakes.
C'mon people.. surely you understand.
reebokii24
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"goddbye for ever."
Eh? what's God got to do with it? I thought he was an Evil Hypnotist.
Eh? what's God got to do with it? I thought he was an Evil Hypnotist.
I think that may be opening Pandora's box, cartree.
I read the link from "www.learnabouthypnosis.org". SounRAB like an impartial group - no doubt a subjective assessment of the phenomena.
The gist seems to be that because in real (unhypnotised) life, humans can experience, paralysis, amnesia, catalepsy (not apparently cats with epilepsy), sleep-walking etc that this explains what hypnosis does.
But they've forgotten to put in the bit that explains how it replicates them? God, they must be kicking themselves they left that out!
I particularly liked the line "This state of deep sleep is still for us shrouded in mystery, and therefore of intense interest, but we have so far but very limited powers of understanding what it really is."
Which about sums it all up. But then they go on for ages about it after that.
Fantastic typo....
"Amnesia or forgetfulness, which as we have seen, is a phenomenon of deep hypnotic sleep, is of peculiar interest, not only because of its parallel in the waking state, but because of its parallel in the waking state....."
I had to read this about three times. He must've forgotten he'd written it. Damn Amnesia!!
I read the link from "www.learnabouthypnosis.org". SounRAB like an impartial group - no doubt a subjective assessment of the phenomena.
The gist seems to be that because in real (unhypnotised) life, humans can experience, paralysis, amnesia, catalepsy (not apparently cats with epilepsy), sleep-walking etc that this explains what hypnosis does.
But they've forgotten to put in the bit that explains how it replicates them? God, they must be kicking themselves they left that out!
I particularly liked the line "This state of deep sleep is still for us shrouded in mystery, and therefore of intense interest, but we have so far but very limited powers of understanding what it really is."
Which about sums it all up. But then they go on for ages about it after that.
Fantastic typo....
"Amnesia or forgetfulness, which as we have seen, is a phenomenon of deep hypnotic sleep, is of peculiar interest, not only because of its parallel in the waking state, but because of its parallel in the waking state....."
I had to read this about three times. He must've forgotten he'd written it. Damn Amnesia!!