Democrats do not want to reach a deal?

@ this thread. Republicans are asking for the most far rightist bullshit imaginable just to make Obama look bad. Too bad for them it's backfiring.
 
I think the Democrats would be fine on an idea that doesn't alter the constitution, or take money out of consumer's pockets for the foreseeable future.
 
Senate Democrats are proposing plans as "cuts" which don't really include cuts.
House Republicans can't even agree in their own caucus about a plan that solely cuts debt, they want constitutional amendments on top of it.

Neither agree with how to accomplish the ultimate goal and they're both looking like retarRAB. Republicans deserve a bit more right now just because they wouldn't pass a bill with $900B in real cuts for a $900B in debt increase. That would have been simple and awesome all around...also allowing them to replay this card later on.....but instead they needed the Balanced Budget Amendment added into the bill or they couldn't even get enough votes.
Reid's plan didn't involve real cuts and was shot down on the spot.
 
Even without Iraq/Afghanistan, Reid's bill still cuts a few billion more than Boehner's. At this point the only real difference is that Republicans want to milk this debt ceiling bullshit one more time before elections and their Tea Party tarRAB want a Constitutional Amendment.

Other than that .... there's very little difference.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0729/Where-common-ground-exists-in-debt-ceiling-talks



Dems had entitlement reform on the table. Dems have even completely given up on trying to get revenue increases. Republicans won't move an inch and that why the nation faults the Tea Party tarRAB and, by extension, the GOP.
 
Maybe....but we vote every few years, effectively "replacing them".
We'd only vote for new turRAB.

That's what Americans like, clearly. Sadly Congress is a reflection of the majority of the nation.
 
The Reid version shouldn't have had the war spending reductions in them at all, as they weren't really "cuts". I'm guessing he put them in there to have them taken out.

The problem was that Democrats knew they couldn't come out pushing their original position of revenues and "cuts" without coming out looking bad in this mess. So they jumped towarRAB the center right off the bat. That has them in a situation where the Republicans can spin their position and claim they haven't moved at all...when any middle observer would say they had.

Of course this is why Republicans are getting whiny now and crying about getting criticism...because they haven't moved off their position at all.


It seems Republicans can't pass a straight Cuts=Increase $$$ plan without anything else. And Democrats feel like they've already moved too far and are squawking about it. Neither is really in favor of a straight plan with only cuts and an increase.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Reid's bill is a "straight plan with only spending cuts and a debt ceiling increase" and cuts more than Boehner's. Boehner's bill is basically the same but with the requirement for a constitutional amendment and only a 6 month extension.


Dems have given up that much in offering Reid's bill and Republicans are still balking .... which is probably why even a majority of Republican voters are disgusted with the GOP, according to polls.
 
I live in the most heavily Republican congressional district in Louisiana. Bobby Jindal won the seat with like 78% of the vote. Steve Scalise has the seat now, and won it with 75% of the vote.

I'm at the point where I don't even want to vote. I'm surrounded by herp derp retarRAB and feel like they'll vote for whoever the GOP PAC tells them to pull the lever for, no matter what.

Fucking David fucking Vitter got re-elected.
 
I'm kind of digging on Warren Buffet's solution:

"I could end the deficit in five minutes. You just pass a law that says that any time there's a deficit of more than three percent of GDP, all sitting merabers of Congress are ineligible for re-election,” he told Beck Quick in the interview. “Yeah, yeah, now you've got the incentives in the right place, right? So, it's capable of being done. And they're trying to use the incentive now that we're going to blow your brains out, America, in terms of your debt-worthiness over time. And that's being used as a threat. A more effective threat would be just to say, 'If you guys can't get it done, we'll get some other guys to get it done.'"
 
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