"Concerned Citizens of the United States" Looking Out for Our Interests!

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ivan astikov said:
I didn't hear anyone saying that when Saddam was kicking the shit out of Kuwait.
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Wasn't there long enough to convey the new titles. He in fact was conquered after he was "kicking the shit out of Kuwait".
 
On what are you basing your assumption that this illegally obtained list is entirely accurate?
 
Paul in Qatar said:
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Yes, they have a suspect.
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Aye, and she's a nutter:

A woman under investigation for allegedly using a state database to create a list of purported illegal immigrants has sent a letter to the media questioning whether the government is prepared to handle natural disasters.

In a letter to the Deseret News, Teresa Bassett also asks for information about emergency preparation and disaster planning.

"For example, after the Katrina tragedy, I have become somewhat skeptical about the role of the federal government in supporting any major disaster that may occur in the country," she wrote. "I am also really not all that confident about how the state government and my own local government will be involved in helping during a serious disaster!"
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Doesn't seem so bad yet, does it? Wait until you read some more of the letter.

In her one-page typed letter, Bassett wrote that she has been interested in all aspects of emergency management for many years. She wants to know what the newspaper's role would be in a disaster scenario. "Would you be the ones that actually get the information or instructions from the appropriate government agency or other news source and then get it to us and whatever you tell us to do, we can assume would be from the authorized source?" she wrote.

Bassett also requests names of groups or organizations that might respond to emergencies and tell her how the media would be involved.
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IMO, she's passive/aggressive fishing for a conspiracy and promoting going outside of government channels whenever she thinks that they are too cumbersome or bothersome. She's living a life of fear, like a lot of conservatives.
 
Eva Luna said:
Lots of people currently without legal status used to have legal status that expired, or for which they otherwise no longer qualify (student or employment visa, former spouse of someone in a legal category or of a U.S. citizen, etc.) The SS# doesn't disappear just because the person is no longer authorized to work in the U.S. - it sticks with the person forever, and if they later legalize, their earnings will be credited to the same SS#.
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And similarly, Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN) granted by the IRS (usually to foreign spouses of US citizens or permanent residents) look exactly like social security numbers but are only used for paying federal income tax and a few other select administrative purposes.
 
ivan astikov said:
There were no border controls when you got there, so what gives you the right to impose them at any time after? Do you really think the land beneath your feet is your God-given entitlement for having conquered it?
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What the hell does this mean? When I got there? I was born here.

What gives me the right to impose border controls after "I got here"? Uh, maybe because the illegals are starting to cause a serious concern to the economy of this nation.

Do I think the land beneath my feet is my God given entitlement? Fuck yes. I'm a veteran. You bet your ass it's my EARNED entitlement.
 
niblet_head said:
Yeah, I always wonder why people suspect racism when immigrants are called invaders and characterized as coming to take your nice house from you. :rolleyes:
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Uhh, I'm not even sure exactly what you're sputtering about here, but not wanting to be "invaded" or have one's nice house taken has nothing to do with race.
 
Wait... this woman works for the state government? Or did she hack their database?

ETA: Either possibility seems equally unlikely.
 
jayjay said:
Not just names, either. Social security numbers, also, and several pregnant women's DUE DATES (Helloooo, HIPPA violation!). The due dates I interpret as "Get those anchor babies out of the country before they drop!"
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According to this HHS site about HIPAA requirements:
The Privacy and Security Rules apply only to covered entities. Individuals, organizations, and agencies that meet the definition of a covered entity under HIPAA must comply with the Rules' requirements to protect the privacy and security of health information and must provide individuals with certain rights with respect to their health information. If an entity is not a covered entity, it does not have to comply with the Privacy Rule or the Security Rule.
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I have no idea how the this group got their information, but it seems safe to say that the group itself is not a "covered entity," within the meaning of the HIPAA requirements.

Here (PDF) is a guide to determining if a given entity is covered by HIPAA rules. As an example, I am on the board of a non-profit pro-life pregnancy counseling and assistance service. We do not charge for our help, but provide material assistance and vocational training for mothers-to-be and mothers of newborns. As we track our clients through their pregnancies, we would naturally have due date information available... but would NOT be subject to HIPAA penalties for disclosing it.

It goes without saying that we would never particpate in such a reprehensible and abhorrent action, but it would not be a HIPAA violation.
 
DianaG said:
Actually, your point would be fine, if anyone else was making it.

My point is that you would never go into a thread praising the listmakers, and asking why people uncritically assume that the list is accurate. You only show up when conservatives call the cavalry. And that's not exactly the spirit of unfettered skepticism.
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It would be nice if you would respond to Bricker's lengthy post where he defends himself against your inaccurate charge.
 
Yeticus Rex said:
Wasn't there long enough to convey the new titles. He in fact was conquered after he was "kicking the shit out of Kuwait".
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So let me get this right... the Chinese or the Russians, or anyone else with ideas of world domination or expansion, are fully entitled to chance their arm and it's up to those being attacked to be able to fight back, otherwise they deserve everything they get?
 
Bricker said:
Actually, yes. For a cite, please see: all of human history.

Right of conquest is precisely what conveys title.
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ivan astikov said:
I didn't hear anyone saying that when Saddam was kicking the shit out of Kuwait.
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I was under the impression that the point of the founding of the United Nations was to stop recognizing right of conquest as legitimate. Going forward, at any rate.

In the meantime, the evolution of our consciousness kinda-sorta compels us to acknowledge that the past legitimacy of the practice is suspect (by today's standards), and that what we have come to think of as the perquisites of sovereignty should at least be subjected to some scrutiny before we use them as exclusionary cudgels against human beings who presumably have the same reasons for wanting to be here as did our own immigrant ancestors.
 
DianaG said:
On what are you basing your assumption that this illegally obtained list is entirely accurate?
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1. I make no such assumption. In fact, I specifically said: "I have no idea what evidence was used to compile the list in the first place."

2. Your question assumes a fact not in evidence: that the list was obtained illegally. How do you know this?

My position is: I don't know. I take no position on the issue.

My post is intended to highlight the fact that several of you have immediately accepted the version of events in which the list-makers are criminal and the unsubstantiated denials of two list members are accurate. Unlike my approach, which is to accept neither the list's accuracy nor the unsubstantiated denials. It seems to me that the proper skeptical attitude, on a board supposedly interested in fighting ignorance, would be my position.
 
Yeticus Rex said:
Wasn't there long enough to convey the new titles. He in fact was conquered after he was "kicking the shit out of Kuwait".
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ivan astikov said:
So let me get this right... the Chinese or the Russians, or anyone else with ideas of world domination or expansion, are fully entitled to chance their arm and it's up to those being attacked to be able to fight back, otherwise they deserve everything they get?
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Could be a whoosh buried in there somewhere.
 
Camus said:
And similarly, Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN) granted by the IRS (usually to foreign spouses of US citizens or permanent residents) look exactly like social security numbers but are only used for paying federal income tax and a few other select administrative purposes.
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Including quite everyday and necessary ones, like opening a bank account or (in some states) applying for a driver's license.
 
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