"Concerned Citizens of the United States" Looking Out for Our Interests!

[Hyperelastic]

Funny. I thought it was genocide and slavery. But I guess they were all 'non-citizens' and so don't count.

Are you Howard Zinn's imaginary friend? Sorry about his recent demise.

 

[ivan astikov]

What country are you talking about? The US was founded on liberty and freedom. For citizens.

There were no cities when you fucking got there.

 

[purplehorseshoe]

I officially declare this thread "interesting".

** popping a little popcorn **

Pull up a chair, Smeghead. Should be fun.

 

[Shot From Guns]

In this thread alone, I actually addressed you here.

Also, here. And again here.

Once more here. And still again here. And (admittedly self-referentially) here.

And yet, it was only in the penultimate post that you responded in any way to my repeated and very simple request to concretely define what you meant by "disfavor." And yet again, you still have failed to address any of my follow-up objections to your fucking retarded personal definition of the word.

To save time, perhaps you could provide the reading audience with a list of shit you won't lie about.

Orgasms.

 

[Laudenum]

There were no cities when you fucking got there.

There were. They were soon empty though.

 

[Shot From Guns]

For my next trick, I will gratuitously assume that someone running away from my house carrying my stereo is, in fact, a robber.

You don't know that. Maybe he's discovered that the stereo is a bomb and he's trying to save you. Aren't you an ungrateful son of a bitch!

 

[Shot From Guns]

In your case, the scenario you craft doesn't quite match reality, in that the larger group in real life also has the most hopefuls. In your case, the more numerous Weegils inexplicably desire to stay home, as a rule, with only 20% of them interested in immigrating. In real life, the more numerous populations ALSO contain the largest percentages of hopeful immigrants, making the disparity a bit more clear. had you crafted your analogy to match this reality, the disfavorable treatment would have been clearer.

Except I was responding to this:

If disproportionately more LGBT people wanted jobs than straight people, and jobs were awarded by lottery, then the lottery system would in fact disfavor LGBT people.

I crafted the scenario so that a larger percentage of the smaller group wanted to immigrate.

And because you apparently missed the question the first time, and I still can't tell what the hell you're getting at:

So, I guess my question here is, what the fuck do you mean by "disfavor"?

 

[ivan astikov]

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

..."and wish to enter this country through specified legal channels and NOT decide to hop the border, take an under the table job, not pay taxes, and live off the system that coddles you for as long as you can."

There were no border controls when you got there, so what gives you the right to impose them at any time after? Do you really think the land beneath your feet is your God-given entitlement for having conquered it?

 

[Shot From Guns]

What have you got against bears? What did they ever do to you?

They're... outside.

I suppose if I had to guess, I'd say there are more HIPAA covered entities keeping track of due dates than entities that aren't HIPAA covered.

I guess I'm just having a hard time thinking of reasons why anybody other than a medical care provider, insurance provider, etc. would need to track someone's due date. Probably because I've never been pregnant.

 

[Really Not All That Bright]

1) Certain people in the world are legal US residents, and have associated privileges.
2) The majority of the people who are legal US residents are white.
3) The majority of the people in the world who are not US residents are not white
4) Any immigration laws we are likely to have would say that US residents or are children of such residents are going to remain legal US residents, but that those who are not legal US residents will be limited in their ability to become legal residents.

I know you're not speaking for Bricker, but this only makes any sense if we assume that people who are already residents are in some sense subject to immigration laws, when obviously they aren't.

Channeling Bricker, I think this is exactly the point. People who are already residents are not subject to immigration laws while those who are not legal residents are subject to such laws. Thus the any impediment to becoming a legal resident is in some sense discriminatory against those who are not current legal residents, as they do not get the privileges reserved for those who are legal.

Its really a sort of, the sky is blue and rain is wet, kind of statement.

Correct. Which is why I said, why back when, "...I think this is fair territory to observe, 'no shit.' Yes, our immigration laws, almost by definition, put members of some ethnic groups at a disadvantage. That's essentially a necessary consequence of immigration laws." Sky is blue, water is wet. Point obvious to all but brilliant intelligentsia propelled from firearms.

So, your argument is that immigration restrictions are discriminatory against people who are already here? Really?

Well, okay, but so fucking what? That's like saying that serving meals in prison is discriminatory to hungry unincarcerated people.

 

[The Hamster King]

... I also think it is one of those issues where it just makes people feel good to blame the "brown man" for all the ills of the world. But I find this kind of behaviour beyond the pale ... .

Clearly it's not beyond the pale. The pale love to blame the brown.

 

[Shot From Guns]

Really, we didn't conquer it so much as resettle it after our filthy diseases quite handily wiped out about 95% of the then-extant population.

 

[Buck Godot]

Bricker, Putting it another way.

Suppose I opened up a Best Buy in Annacostia, and had a promotion in which the 100 people could get a iPhone for $50. A large line forms up outside my shop made up of 200 blacks and 60 whites. One way I could distribute the iPhones is to just give them to the first 100 people who show up (say 77 blacks and 23 whites). The second way is to give phones to the first 50 black people and to the first 50 white people. As a lawyer, Bricker, which method do you think would be more likely to get me a discrimination law suit.

Note, I'm not going to strongly argue that immigration should be one way or another, but to say that it need be so ethnically biased seems to me to be incorrect.

 

[jsgoddess]

As an example, I am on the board of a non-profit pro-life pregnancy counseling and assistance service.

OT: I hope this isn't one of those "crisis pregnancy centers" that masquerades as an abortion provider or abortion referral service.

If it's truly a no-strings service offered honestly, then thank you. It's a great thing to do.

 

[Shot From Guns]

I hope every person who had any part in compiling and diseminating this list gets raped by a bear.

Twice.

 

[Monty]

One of the two jerks involved fired already, the other soon to be fired.

From the same article, an interesting point about illegal immigrants and government benefits:

Illegal immigrants themselves are not eligible for government benefits, but their children born here, who are U.S. citizens, are eligible.

I posted a thread some time ago asking "How many generations before one is considered an American?" Obviously, by law, one is a citizen if one meets the criteria. The two jerks invovled in this escapade apparently aren't aware of that simple fact as they evidently considered those with "Hispanic surnames" to be foreigners. Damn racists.

 

[Duke]

The 31 SSNs attached to the list are a bit of a concern no matter where the "Concerned Citizens" got them. As I said elsewhere on this board just today, part of my job is finding the unfindable. SSNs are one of the things that, even if I could track them down (and I can't, so don't ask, as some people have asked in the past), I'm not going to track down. Period. It's identity-theft heaven.

So someone's got some explaining to do somewhere.

 

[Shot From Guns]

So, your argument is that immigration restrictions are discriminatory against people who are already here? Really?

Actually, I'm pretty sure his argument is that any restrictions on immigration now are discriminatory against minorities who aren't here yet, because all the whites who are here now are the descendents of the people who got here back when immigration wasn't restricted (at least for their ethnic groups).*

*Because we know how much they loved the Irish, and the Italians, and the Catholics in general, and...

 

[Laudenum]

I hope every person who had any part in compiling and diseminating this list gets raped by a bear.

Twice.

Why?

Are you against illegal immigrants being caught and punished for their crimes?

 

[jayjay]

One of the two jerks involved fired already, the other soon to be fired.

From the same article, an interesting point about illegal immigrants and government benefits:


I posted a thread some time ago asking "How many generations before one is considered an American?" Obviously, by law, one is a citizen if one meets the criteria. The two jerks invovled in this escapade apparently aren't aware of that simple fact as they evidently considered those with "Hispanic surnames" to be foreigners. Damn racists.

On the contrary, the people who do this kind of thing are well aware of that fact. That's probably why there were due dates on the list. Gotta deport 'em before they drop the anchor babies!