Comparing Italy

Steve Pope wrote:

That is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time. Rich
people and pretty much everyone else *pays* other people to do things
for them.

You pay the people who grow the food you eat, you pay the people who
transport the food, you pay the people who stock the food in the store
for you to select and purchase. You pay the people who build your house,
you pay the people who paint your house, you pay the people who clean
your carpets. You pay your doctor, you pay the drug companies, and
perhaps you pay an insurance company.

Nobody is going to paint your house if you don't pay them, and no doctor
is going to treat you if you don't pay them. Nothing is an "entitlement"
or a "right", whether you are rich or poor, it's just a matter of what
you can afford.
 
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:37:43 +0200, "Giusi" wrote:


The amount of money spent in the US during the last six months of life
is deplorable. Let grandpa die in peace!

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
"Pete C." wrote:

And "grandpa's money" includes the payout of any health insurance he
paid the premiums on. What should not be happening is huge expenditures
for EOL care paid by public funds.

This is one of the places that comparisons between the US and other
countries health care costs falls apart. In the US, the health care
spending by wealthy persons on their own health care, either directly or
by purchasing better insurance is generally factored into the reported
average health care spending, while in countries with socialized health
care spending by the wealthy on health care outside the government
health care system usually isn't included, resulting in the distortion
that makes it appear that socialized countries spend less on health
care.
 
On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:48:00 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


I don't want to belabor this, but usually it's a matter of the living
not being able to let the dying go in peace.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:52:22 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


I think you're living in a tea party fantasy world. The very few
people who "choose" not to have medical coverage are middle class and
can well afford it, not the poor.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz:


So you're one of the fuckin' deadbeat credit-dependent teat-sucking
parasites you continually decry for using credit cards!

Bob
 
Pete C. wrote:

Yes, and the other big distortion in that silly comparison is in the infant
mortality numbers. We count premature births - they don't. A direct
comparison is ridiculous.


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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:02:16 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:


Okay. Let's overhaul the system. You make this amount of money, you
owe this much money. No loopholes, no deductions.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On 4/15/2011 5:06 PM, Landon wrote:

Now I cover us with MedJet Assist so I can get evacuated without having
to do battle with a paramedic who was the "medical expert" calling the
shots for the insurance company. One would think that having $1,000,000
in medical evacuation coverage would have gotten him home.

We have traveled since the incident in Italy and we will continue to
travel as long as he's up to it.

It was very difficult on both of us. I am ever grateful to Royal
Caribbean who gave me an angel of a port agent to assist me and to
translate and who assigned me a young woman at their corporate offices
who did battle with the insurance company and got us home.

We've been in every state and every Canadian province as well as the
Yukon Territory. We had a coup0le of medical emergencies while traveling
and the hospitals were wonderful.


The insurance isn't much at all. Gas is high. While planning our summer
trip with the RV, I told my DH we could probably take a cruise for less.
He said we could buy a cruise ship for less :-)

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Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
 
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:11:09 -0400, [email protected] (Sharon C)
wrote:


Maybe you need to read your policy more carefully. Many medical
policies insist on "in-network" MDs, and the attending medical
professional must be an MD, not a PA. And usually there is a higher
co-payment for specialists... so the primary you see for referals is
not in network or an MD and your specialist is an MD and in network
that could explain your dilemma. If you're being seen by an out of
network facility and not by an MD you are essentially paying insurance
premiums for nothing. Go to your insurance company web site, there
should be a listing of in-network MDs in your area... you may need to
go elsewhere. When I first moved here I had a similar problem, when I
caled to ask if a doctor takes my insurance they lied, they said that
I'd have to pay them and submit the bill to the insurance company for
reimbursement, of course they wre out of network but never disclosed
that, plus many use a private company for billing which makes it very
difficult to get things straightened out. It took me over a year to
find in-network doctors that I liked and weren't too far to travel. I
discovered that many doctors/facilities in hillybilly land don't meet
the standards for in-network status. A PA operates under the auspices
of an MD, that MD will need to sign off on the form with his or her ID
No. for you to get paid. A lot of PAs have huge egos, they won't
present themselves has not having the authority of an MD. Check it
out.
 
On Apr 17, 7:08?am, "Pete C." wrote:


So, the sacrifices our veterans made to secure for us the blessings of
liberty were in vain, because nothing that required the labor of
others can ever be a right? Not only was their labor required, but in
many cases their health, and in some cases their lives were required.

I imagine Pete C. going to national cemeteries on Memorial Day,
thinking, "Suckers!".
 
"Steve Pope" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I'm looking at the total cost of health care, that paid privately and that
paid from public funds. That portion paid pubicly is from taxes.The taxpayer
is paying the taxes and from that for his healthcare. I think the amount
Americans pay for health care outside the U.S. is less than 1% of the total
cost. If you could find that amount, you could add it to the public funds
and private funds, though I think it's insignificant.

Kent
 
In article , [email protected] says...

Catch this ball Pete; you said

"Also realize that the small high population density countries in Europe
can better get away with socialized health care because of their small
size which allows a relatively small number of government health care
facilities can serve the bulk of the population, something that is not
possible in the vastly larger and lower population density US.

USA covers 3,794,083 sq miles. Population density 87 per square mile.

Australia covers 2,941,299 sq m, population density < 8 per square mile.

Australia has socialised health care, everywhere.


Janet
 
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