Canada = 51st state?
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Before you get all high and might here Amos, you may want to actually look at the post. I just cut and pasted the numbers, however, I did BOLD and UNDERLINE the numbers for Canada as a whole, and then I even summarized each section for you. I'm not sure how you missed that, do I need to spoon feed you?
Maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but I don't understand your calculation here or what you're getting at. What's too high?
Are you assuming that $73,200 average income is after tax? Are you indicating that an average before tax income over $100,000 is unrealistic? I'll assure you it isn't, in fact it would very average for a two income family.
Easy there turbo, you don't want to get yourself banned.
Why would I convert Canadian incomes to US dollars? That makes zero sense. I don't buy my groceries or pay my mortgage in USD. It comes down to comparative prices and purchasing power within each country. My guess is, it works out pretty evenly when examined on that basis given the difference in prices of certain gooRAB from one country to the other.
The stats are likely true, the bogus part is the actual calculation of the GDP. The GDP is a fairy tale number calculated by the gov't, easily manipulated and rather meaningless. If you'd care to learn more, send georged a PM.
Waxy
Maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but I don't understand your calculation here or what you're getting at. What's too high?
Are you assuming that $73,200 average income is after tax? Are you indicating that an average before tax income over $100,000 is unrealistic? I'll assure you it isn't, in fact it would very average for a two income family.
Easy there turbo, you don't want to get yourself banned.
Why would I convert Canadian incomes to US dollars? That makes zero sense. I don't buy my groceries or pay my mortgage in USD. It comes down to comparative prices and purchasing power within each country. My guess is, it works out pretty evenly when examined on that basis given the difference in prices of certain gooRAB from one country to the other.
The stats are likely true, the bogus part is the actual calculation of the GDP. The GDP is a fairy tale number calculated by the gov't, easily manipulated and rather meaningless. If you'd care to learn more, send georged a PM.
Waxy
japankorea
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Welfare state is too kind a word !
It's kind of funny that you take offense to me calling illegals "mujados", not even calling you or anyone in your family one, and you turn right around and call me a gringo directly. That's kind of sad if you ask me. And that comment is coming from someone who purports to be all about human rights.
According to the US State Department, these people can be denied a non-immigrant visa:
Someone who has a communicable disease
Someone who can't provide evidence of having immunizations for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc
Someone with a physical or mental disorder that poses a threat to others
Someone who is a drug user or addict
Someone who has committed a crime involving moral turpitude
Someone who has violated a law relating to the Controlled Substances Act
Someone who has committed more than 2 criminal offenses
Someone who has smuggled controlled substances
Someone who has engaged in prostitution
Someone who has committed a serious crime in the US
Someone who is a terrorist or a member of a totalitarian party
Someone who is a former Nazi war criminal
Someone who has previously used illegal means to enter the US
Did he fit any of these?
I don't give a hoot about what goes on in Mexico. That is Mexico's business, not mine. If they are paying their workers too little, they need to fix it, not us. If the US is not obeying laws there, then why doesn't Mexico do something about it? It's not our job to police every country in the world to find places where people aren't making minimum wage.I said Mexicans have to obey our laws, and come here legally. Yes, they have to abide by our laws.
OSHA is not a world-wide organization. It is under the US Department of Labor. Why would they be in Mexico? Once again, stop telling me about the bad conditions in Mexico, because that does not give someone the right to come here illegally.
Enough with the plants. I don't care about them. I care about 3 million illegals coming here each year, destroying private property, receiving government funding for their health care, education, and housing, and not paying a dime for it.
A couple weeks? I don't think you wait that long here. But my main problem with the health care system in Canada isn't just the wait times, it is people being forced to pay for others' health care.
If people think that, let them waste their money on something else. If someone doesn't want to pay high taxes for health care, let them put the money in an account and use that for their health care. I don't like seeing my money getting spent on someone else's health care. I worked for that money, and I want it to be used on my behalf. I basically wasted thousanRAB and thousanRAB of dollars, and am basically being penalized, for being in good shape. I will not ever see that money again, but someone else will. I don't like that idea.
What a joke!! Everyone pays sales tax. It's not like they ask you for your ID before you can pay sales tax. However, the US doesn't fund its health care, education, or subsidized housing from sales tax. They fund it through income tax, which illegals pay ABSOLUTELY NONE OF!! That was a very bad example on your part.
How did I stereotype? White men or women don't immigrate by the thousanRAB from Mexico to the US. Think about it. It is called violation of personal property (trespassing) and destruction of property. In South Carolina, if someone is trespassing on your property after sunset you are, under the state law, allowed to shoot them. Check it out, it's a law. If I own a 14,000 acre farm, put in hours of work everyday to maintain the cattle and crops, and then have some illegal tear up my property (and in the process let my cattle out) and throw all of their trash and belongings in my yard, I am going to be highly upset. And if it continues to happen, which in the case I read about it does, I would put up a sign, in Spanish and English, warning illegals to stay off my property or you will be killed. Maybe a very strong electric fence, maybe some attack dogs, maybe some alligators, maybe boobi traps, and if they don't work I will gladly sit on the back porch and begin sniping. It becomes a serious problem when innocent, law-abiding Americans have their lives, property, and jobs put in jeopardy. This guy makes money from selling and breeding cows, but he can't keep them in their fences because illegals keep tearing holes in it. He says at night he has trouble sleeping because he can hear them outside. Something neeRAB to be done about this, and if the government doesn't help him out, I see no problem with him eliminating the problem in any way he deems fit.
Someone who has a communicable disease
Someone who can't provide evidence of having immunizations for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc
Someone with a physical or mental disorder that poses a threat to others
Someone who is a drug user or addict
Someone who has committed a crime involving moral turpitude
Someone who has violated a law relating to the Controlled Substances Act
Someone who has committed more than 2 criminal offenses
Someone who has smuggled controlled substances
Someone who has engaged in prostitution
Someone who has committed a serious crime in the US
Someone who is a terrorist or a member of a totalitarian party
Someone who is a former Nazi war criminal
Someone who has previously used illegal means to enter the US
Did he fit any of these?
I don't give a hoot about what goes on in Mexico. That is Mexico's business, not mine. If they are paying their workers too little, they need to fix it, not us. If the US is not obeying laws there, then why doesn't Mexico do something about it? It's not our job to police every country in the world to find places where people aren't making minimum wage.I said Mexicans have to obey our laws, and come here legally. Yes, they have to abide by our laws.
OSHA is not a world-wide organization. It is under the US Department of Labor. Why would they be in Mexico? Once again, stop telling me about the bad conditions in Mexico, because that does not give someone the right to come here illegally.
Enough with the plants. I don't care about them. I care about 3 million illegals coming here each year, destroying private property, receiving government funding for their health care, education, and housing, and not paying a dime for it.
A couple weeks? I don't think you wait that long here. But my main problem with the health care system in Canada isn't just the wait times, it is people being forced to pay for others' health care.
If people think that, let them waste their money on something else. If someone doesn't want to pay high taxes for health care, let them put the money in an account and use that for their health care. I don't like seeing my money getting spent on someone else's health care. I worked for that money, and I want it to be used on my behalf. I basically wasted thousanRAB and thousanRAB of dollars, and am basically being penalized, for being in good shape. I will not ever see that money again, but someone else will. I don't like that idea.
What a joke!! Everyone pays sales tax. It's not like they ask you for your ID before you can pay sales tax. However, the US doesn't fund its health care, education, or subsidized housing from sales tax. They fund it through income tax, which illegals pay ABSOLUTELY NONE OF!! That was a very bad example on your part.
How did I stereotype? White men or women don't immigrate by the thousanRAB from Mexico to the US. Think about it. It is called violation of personal property (trespassing) and destruction of property. In South Carolina, if someone is trespassing on your property after sunset you are, under the state law, allowed to shoot them. Check it out, it's a law. If I own a 14,000 acre farm, put in hours of work everyday to maintain the cattle and crops, and then have some illegal tear up my property (and in the process let my cattle out) and throw all of their trash and belongings in my yard, I am going to be highly upset. And if it continues to happen, which in the case I read about it does, I would put up a sign, in Spanish and English, warning illegals to stay off my property or you will be killed. Maybe a very strong electric fence, maybe some attack dogs, maybe some alligators, maybe boobi traps, and if they don't work I will gladly sit on the back porch and begin sniping. It becomes a serious problem when innocent, law-abiding Americans have their lives, property, and jobs put in jeopardy. This guy makes money from selling and breeding cows, but he can't keep them in their fences because illegals keep tearing holes in it. He says at night he has trouble sleeping because he can hear them outside. Something neeRAB to be done about this, and if the government doesn't help him out, I see no problem with him eliminating the problem in any way he deems fit.
Some admin broad at the desk would not let us even apply. She is not an immigration officer. What she did was outside of how it supposed to be done and an example of prejudices in the immigration system.
Well if fewer Mexicans are poo pooed out the door when they try to do things legally, there might be less illegal immigration.
However, I reiterate: HOW DOES THIS JUSTIFY POOR TREATMENT OF THOSE WHO ARE DOING THINGS LEGALLY?????
Sure.
But you seem to be missing my point. You don't care about humans outside of the US. I do. The general state of humanity matters to me. Our stupid little borders are indicators of how sad human are, how we can't ever seem to get along, how we can't ever seem to stop being greedy, how we can't ever seem to stop being righteous. I do not care about that more than somebody who is being hurt.
And somebody sure is self-righteous about the borders of a nation that once was a beacon and was, incidentally, stolen.
That is because, although I would like to see them enter legally, I don't see a demon, I see desperation, and I just don't have it in my heart to begrudge that. Nor am I particularly materialistic or money-minded. I want enough. I don't need brand names, big houses, or more than I need. And I don't mind sharing my tax dollars or other dollars with people who need it more than me. Deal with it, Amos - tis my nature.
They aren't meeting standarRAB of decency, let alone what the laws are in Mexico. But just so you realize, these corporations are ALSO responsible for the influx of illegals. See these companies could go there and pay a living wage for Mexico and it still would be cheaper than here, and fewer people would NEED to run north. Now some companies do this, especially in the service industry, however a lot don't. Instead, they pay the least they can in dangerous settings to maximize their profit.
Desperate people resort to desperate measures. Extreme poverty is a desperate situation. You will not likely see people just be content with it. No matter how much shooting is going on at the border. And if you go in and take advantage of desperate people, you are contributing to them taking desperate measures.
The bottom line?
Both the US and Mexico can do better than this.
I a know a signifigant amount of Canadians and spend a signifigant amount of time there. I am sure some are complaining. There is always somebody to complain about something. But they have a Republic, too. If masses of Canadians were unhappy with the current system, it would be reflected in their elections and change in their government. But you really need to stop worrying about this, I don't think Canada expects you paty into their health system.
But it won't help to shoot them! Shooting is really stupid if you think about it. First of all, I don't know how many southwestern cattle ranches you have been on, but most of them are downright MASSIVE. Fences are few and far between. RLand runs right up to state land, another owner's land and Indian land and there generally are no signs. They are littered with dirt roaRAB. People are frequently driving accross or hiking accross a ranch land. We are not just talking acres here, we are talking MILES. Point being, you could end up shooting your neighbor Jo who is driving down that dirt road to get to the interstate, or shooting that group of hikers who want a closer look at teh Sawtooth Mountains.
Now there may be more fences on ranches on the border than there are in Northern New Mexico, but even so, let's say you have a problem with illegals coming on to your land. I have no problem with deterrants - electric fences, dogs, warning signs saying you will shoot...but to actually shoot. First of all - you have to see them. Let's say you do. You could shoot them. Or you could call the authorities and have them deported. A deported guy is far more likely to tell his frienRAB about how he got stopped, than a dead guy will. And the liklihood of the next immigrant being at all aware of your shoot to kill policy is pretty close to nil. Call the cops. To shoot a person in any situation where your life is not threatened is sadistic and a bit sociopathic.
Plus if you only maim and not kill - they are gonna spending your tax dollars at the hospital.
LOL. Call the next Mexican you see that name and you will find out - when he punches you in the nose. It is highly offensive to them - put on par with "nigger".
Ummm, it was a joke. I called myself one, too.
Well if fewer Mexicans are poo pooed out the door when they try to do things legally, there might be less illegal immigration.
However, I reiterate: HOW DOES THIS JUSTIFY POOR TREATMENT OF THOSE WHO ARE DOING THINGS LEGALLY?????
Sure.
But you seem to be missing my point. You don't care about humans outside of the US. I do. The general state of humanity matters to me. Our stupid little borders are indicators of how sad human are, how we can't ever seem to get along, how we can't ever seem to stop being greedy, how we can't ever seem to stop being righteous. I do not care about that more than somebody who is being hurt.
And somebody sure is self-righteous about the borders of a nation that once was a beacon and was, incidentally, stolen.
That is because, although I would like to see them enter legally, I don't see a demon, I see desperation, and I just don't have it in my heart to begrudge that. Nor am I particularly materialistic or money-minded. I want enough. I don't need brand names, big houses, or more than I need. And I don't mind sharing my tax dollars or other dollars with people who need it more than me. Deal with it, Amos - tis my nature.
They aren't meeting standarRAB of decency, let alone what the laws are in Mexico. But just so you realize, these corporations are ALSO responsible for the influx of illegals. See these companies could go there and pay a living wage for Mexico and it still would be cheaper than here, and fewer people would NEED to run north. Now some companies do this, especially in the service industry, however a lot don't. Instead, they pay the least they can in dangerous settings to maximize their profit.
Desperate people resort to desperate measures. Extreme poverty is a desperate situation. You will not likely see people just be content with it. No matter how much shooting is going on at the border. And if you go in and take advantage of desperate people, you are contributing to them taking desperate measures.
The bottom line?
Both the US and Mexico can do better than this.
I a know a signifigant amount of Canadians and spend a signifigant amount of time there. I am sure some are complaining. There is always somebody to complain about something. But they have a Republic, too. If masses of Canadians were unhappy with the current system, it would be reflected in their elections and change in their government. But you really need to stop worrying about this, I don't think Canada expects you paty into their health system.
But it won't help to shoot them! Shooting is really stupid if you think about it. First of all, I don't know how many southwestern cattle ranches you have been on, but most of them are downright MASSIVE. Fences are few and far between. RLand runs right up to state land, another owner's land and Indian land and there generally are no signs. They are littered with dirt roaRAB. People are frequently driving accross or hiking accross a ranch land. We are not just talking acres here, we are talking MILES. Point being, you could end up shooting your neighbor Jo who is driving down that dirt road to get to the interstate, or shooting that group of hikers who want a closer look at teh Sawtooth Mountains.
Now there may be more fences on ranches on the border than there are in Northern New Mexico, but even so, let's say you have a problem with illegals coming on to your land. I have no problem with deterrants - electric fences, dogs, warning signs saying you will shoot...but to actually shoot. First of all - you have to see them. Let's say you do. You could shoot them. Or you could call the authorities and have them deported. A deported guy is far more likely to tell his frienRAB about how he got stopped, than a dead guy will. And the liklihood of the next immigrant being at all aware of your shoot to kill policy is pretty close to nil. Call the cops. To shoot a person in any situation where your life is not threatened is sadistic and a bit sociopathic.
Plus if you only maim and not kill - they are gonna spending your tax dollars at the hospital.
LOL. Call the next Mexican you see that name and you will find out - when he punches you in the nose. It is highly offensive to them - put on par with "nigger".
Ummm, it was a joke. I called myself one, too.
And tell me, how will it ensure that? Let's look at gang members again. Here in Mpls, they are arrested and put in prison daily. They kill each other on the street weekly. This is all over the news. Widely publicized. Yet, the gangsters aren't going anywhere. They are still everywhere. And that is with GOOD publicity about consequences. How do you figure that you shooting illegal immigrants is gonna make a difference? How do expect the next immigrant to even know the story?
And what if it isn't your imagined vision surly Jose? What if it's a pregnant woman and two kiRAB? You gonna get your target practice out on children now?
I am not saying you have to like illegals coming here and that something shouldn't be done about it. I am saying that shooting them will not help and is just a signal that you are highly unhinged and maybe ought not to own a gun. I don't think I'd want my kid in the same room as you and your gun. He's Mexican.
No it won't. It's not likely the next one will even be aware it happened. I would like to point out that border patrol agents have done shooting - and yet they still come.
And will continue to try to until the real problem is seriously addressed.
I agree. But I would not hold your breath. The powers that be, really aren't on your side with this one.
Can you not grasp a bigger concept than staright black and whites (law is black and white)? Do you have children?
I do. And I assure you, if your property was the thing in between him starving and not starving, and every other measure had been exhausted, I would try to cross it to. And to hell with law. Maybe you would politley sit back and let your family starve. Most poeple won't. And don't.
That's historical fact. Most crime comes out of desperation. Yet all we ever do is punish crime and never face the cause. It's short-sighted. It never has worked at ridding the world of crime. And it never will.
And what if it isn't your imagined vision surly Jose? What if it's a pregnant woman and two kiRAB? You gonna get your target practice out on children now?
I am not saying you have to like illegals coming here and that something shouldn't be done about it. I am saying that shooting them will not help and is just a signal that you are highly unhinged and maybe ought not to own a gun. I don't think I'd want my kid in the same room as you and your gun. He's Mexican.
No it won't. It's not likely the next one will even be aware it happened. I would like to point out that border patrol agents have done shooting - and yet they still come.
And will continue to try to until the real problem is seriously addressed.
I agree. But I would not hold your breath. The powers that be, really aren't on your side with this one.
Can you not grasp a bigger concept than staright black and whites (law is black and white)? Do you have children?
I do. And I assure you, if your property was the thing in between him starving and not starving, and every other measure had been exhausted, I would try to cross it to. And to hell with law. Maybe you would politley sit back and let your family starve. Most poeple won't. And don't.
That's historical fact. Most crime comes out of desperation. Yet all we ever do is punish crime and never face the cause. It's short-sighted. It never has worked at ridding the world of crime. And it never will.
Qursdf Kjhkjgg
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The debt clocks have Canada winning by a slim margin.
$24,098 vs. $25,123 per person.
and when coverting from Canadian to US dollars:
$18,941 vs. $25,123
That was the quickest to check. Didn't bother with the others.
$24,098 vs. $25,123 per person.
and when coverting from Canadian to US dollars:
$18,941 vs. $25,123
That was the quickest to check. Didn't bother with the others.
Due With #2 in September
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No, I am not kidding. Think about it...you own a 14,000 acre farm and raise and breed cattle. Every night, 200-300 illegals come through your property on their way to "freedom", and in the process tear holes in your fences separating cattle and throw garbage all over your farm. You wake up the next day and some of your prized cattle have gotten out and wandered to Mexico, where you go an retrieve them. They then have to be quarantined for 30 days and then inspected before they can come back. You also found 10 Mexican cows who had made their way into your farm. They are carrying a disease and one of your cows contracts the virus. He then passes it on to the other cows and suddenly all of your cattle are worthless. You have seen your whole business turn to nothing because some illegals destroyed your property and let your cattle out. What are you going to do to stop this? Well, considering that 200-300 are coming over a night, I wouldn't suggest trying to talk to them. It's not the guy's responsibility to fortify his 14,000 acre farm with a stone wall. And not only the financial aspect, but John Ladd Jr. said that some nights he is fearful for his life as he looks out the window and see a gathering of 300 or more illegals outside of his window. This is a serious issue, and if I were him and the problem persisted, I would take matters into my own hanRAB. And I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. They are violating the law in 3 ways (illegally coming here, trespassing on private property, and destroying private property). Now, unless they want to pay for the fence to get fixed and pick up the trash-which they don't ever do-something neeRAB to be done to deter them, whether it's an electric fence or a 50 caliber sniper rifle.
super_girl28
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We can't put 7 million Mexicans in our jails each year. We don't have the resources. And most illegals wouldn't care because they'll get free food, free health, and free housing. They have nothing to lose. If we have to reserve 7 million spots in our jails they will simply overfill. We have to keep the illegals in Mexico; they're not our problem to deal with. It's easy for them to learn not to come on my land...if I shoot one and chase them back into Mexico, they'll tell people not to come onto my property because I'm crazy. Usually they come over with so-called coyotes, and I doubt the so-called coyote is going to risk his life coming onto my land again. And if that doesn't work, I might mount the head on my fence.
An illegal is an illegal is an illegal. Same as if a child had a bomb strapped to him and was about to blow himself up in front of a building.
I don't have a problem with people if they don't mess with my stuff. When you start intruding into my life by the 200s or 300s and destroying my property, then things get ugly. Don't do that and I won't have a problem with you. And it's not just illegals. If I had 20 black people who kept coming into my yard and stealing stuff of tearing my fence up, I would do the same to them.
Yea, but when I mount someone's head on my fence they are not likely to cross it.
No I don't...I'm 20. Tearing up my property means more than breaking the law. It shows me that these people are so ignorant and destructive that they will do anything to my property to be free. And I am not going to take it.
That does not justify breaking the law, being sent back to Mexico, and trying again 5 more times. You can try all you want to use desparation to justify this criminal act, but it isn't going to work.
An illegal is an illegal is an illegal. Same as if a child had a bomb strapped to him and was about to blow himself up in front of a building.
I don't have a problem with people if they don't mess with my stuff. When you start intruding into my life by the 200s or 300s and destroying my property, then things get ugly. Don't do that and I won't have a problem with you. And it's not just illegals. If I had 20 black people who kept coming into my yard and stealing stuff of tearing my fence up, I would do the same to them.
Yea, but when I mount someone's head on my fence they are not likely to cross it.
No I don't...I'm 20. Tearing up my property means more than breaking the law. It shows me that these people are so ignorant and destructive that they will do anything to my property to be free. And I am not going to take it.
That does not justify breaking the law, being sent back to Mexico, and trying again 5 more times. You can try all you want to use desparation to justify this criminal act, but it isn't going to work.
vett-rider
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No. Do you think that if he was guilty of such they would have ever granted him an immigrant visa? The people at the office told us point blank that he could not come into the country even to visit, they would not even provide us with applications.
This is what I am talking about when I said "it depenRAB on what country you are from" - people from Mexico are not treated the same as people from Europe - even when doing the same thing (trying to obtain fully legal entry in this country). You can throw the rules at me all you like - I lived it. I KNOW.
Thank you. I figured you were all about a double standard. Plenty of outrage for Mexicans violating US law, but not an ounce of it for Americans violating Mexican law.
Mexico doesn't do anything about because of corruption there and because they do not have the resources to fight corporate America.
I would like to say it is more than a little hypocritical to hold them accountable, but not us. Personally, this US citizen is completely embarressed that our corporations do this and that paper processing and treatment of Mexicans at the border is so poor. It would be like having your spouse invite strangers over without telling you and you are in your jammies and the house is a mess.
I never said it did. It was an example of abuse. OSHA holRAB employers accountable to certain safety standarRAB in the US. So what do some US companies do? - they go places where they don't have to keep employees safe. Corporate American (and Germany and Japan) completely take advantage of people in poorer nations, work them to death at the bare minimum in horrible conditions jeopardizing thier health and lives. It is disgusting. There is no excuse for it. And the your "it's only America that matters" is absolutely selfish and disgusting. I see more empathy in my three year old nephew.
I am more concerned about the fact the Americans are making mucho dinero by abusing thousanRAB if not tens of thousanRAB of workers across the third world than I am about few ranchers on the border.
And I have known tons of Mexicans, legal and illeagal, and never met one who wasn't willing to work. Most of the lazy bums on this planet sit under flags of power and privelege. The third world does not have the option of not working. If they don't, they don't eat. My ex's dad had to work a WEEK to buy a sack of flour. A WEEK. In India there are women who break up rocks all day, every day, just to eat. Most of the he third world lives in an poverty you and I will never have to face.
The point? Corporate America takes advantage of that and you worry about fences. Personal property. I am talking about HUMANS.
That is a grossness the goes far beyond somebody punching holes in fences.
I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but I will not demonize their crimes more than ours. Nor will I act like anything American does is OK. It's not.
I'm sorry, I giess you know my life better and I have just imagined my surgery, the circumstances around it, and my best friend.
All Canadians get health care - they all pay. So, technically, they are paying for their own health care. Get it?
Me too, yet here we have all my tax money being spent on this stupid war. I don't like THAT. I would much rather spend it on my fellow Americans health care than Dink's war. It would be cheaper, too.
Hey - you said they pay no taxes - you are wrong. That's all.
Well get your gun out then cowboy. You are so impressive. Let's shoot poor unarmed people and prove how tough we are. And be sure to never understand anybody else's situation - never learn empathy - that's just a sign of weakness
Rant about destruction of personal property all you like. I will put it on my list of worries, too. Right after dealing with people who ignore human rights and basic human dignity like they do in Maquiladora plants.
This is what I am talking about when I said "it depenRAB on what country you are from" - people from Mexico are not treated the same as people from Europe - even when doing the same thing (trying to obtain fully legal entry in this country). You can throw the rules at me all you like - I lived it. I KNOW.
Thank you. I figured you were all about a double standard. Plenty of outrage for Mexicans violating US law, but not an ounce of it for Americans violating Mexican law.
Mexico doesn't do anything about because of corruption there and because they do not have the resources to fight corporate America.
I would like to say it is more than a little hypocritical to hold them accountable, but not us. Personally, this US citizen is completely embarressed that our corporations do this and that paper processing and treatment of Mexicans at the border is so poor. It would be like having your spouse invite strangers over without telling you and you are in your jammies and the house is a mess.
I never said it did. It was an example of abuse. OSHA holRAB employers accountable to certain safety standarRAB in the US. So what do some US companies do? - they go places where they don't have to keep employees safe. Corporate American (and Germany and Japan) completely take advantage of people in poorer nations, work them to death at the bare minimum in horrible conditions jeopardizing thier health and lives. It is disgusting. There is no excuse for it. And the your "it's only America that matters" is absolutely selfish and disgusting. I see more empathy in my three year old nephew.
I am more concerned about the fact the Americans are making mucho dinero by abusing thousanRAB if not tens of thousanRAB of workers across the third world than I am about few ranchers on the border.
And I have known tons of Mexicans, legal and illeagal, and never met one who wasn't willing to work. Most of the lazy bums on this planet sit under flags of power and privelege. The third world does not have the option of not working. If they don't, they don't eat. My ex's dad had to work a WEEK to buy a sack of flour. A WEEK. In India there are women who break up rocks all day, every day, just to eat. Most of the he third world lives in an poverty you and I will never have to face.
The point? Corporate America takes advantage of that and you worry about fences. Personal property. I am talking about HUMANS.
That is a grossness the goes far beyond somebody punching holes in fences.
I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, but I will not demonize their crimes more than ours. Nor will I act like anything American does is OK. It's not.
I'm sorry, I giess you know my life better and I have just imagined my surgery, the circumstances around it, and my best friend.
All Canadians get health care - they all pay. So, technically, they are paying for their own health care. Get it?
Me too, yet here we have all my tax money being spent on this stupid war. I don't like THAT. I would much rather spend it on my fellow Americans health care than Dink's war. It would be cheaper, too.
Hey - you said they pay no taxes - you are wrong. That's all.
Well get your gun out then cowboy. You are so impressive. Let's shoot poor unarmed people and prove how tough we are. And be sure to never understand anybody else's situation - never learn empathy - that's just a sign of weakness
Rant about destruction of personal property all you like. I will put it on my list of worries, too. Right after dealing with people who ignore human rights and basic human dignity like they do in Maquiladora plants.
luke666808g
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Canada's Homicide rate lowest in 30 years, 1/3 the rate of the homicide rate in the USA.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1096464271792_91873471?hub=topstories
Waxy
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1096464271792_91873471?hub=topstories
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Famouschild93
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Is that litres or gallons? 
TypicalQueerness
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You are missing my point. I was not suggesting putting illegals in jail. They should be deported. I am saying that punishment does not necesarily deter.
You are probably right about the coyotes. But not all come with them.
Children don't do these things. Grown ups use children to do these things. It's a big difference.
So are you saying you post a little Mexican kid's head on your fence? Think long and hard about that. Now I KNOW I wouldn't let you anywhere near my kid with a gun.
But YOU would likely end up in prison, or a psych ward.
You are twenty? That explains A LOT.
Do you comprehend the difference between understanding and justification? The difference between empathy and approval?
Examples: I absolutely do not approve of George W Bush as president. He is an awkward public speaker (not why I don't approve of him), I feel for him when I see he is having discomfort with public speaking. I have that problem, too.
I do not approve of dealing drugs. However when I see a poor 15 year old kid on the street who has never had a proper up-bringing, someone to teach him better, a loving place - I feel for him. I still don't approve of his actions, but I don't need to dehumanize him to the point where killing him is no big deal.
That is empathy. It is finely tuned skill that ADULTS should have. You need to work on yours.
But, somehow I suspect the toughest thing you have faced thus far is deciding who to take to prom. Which is fine. You are young - and that is as it should be.
Have life deliver you some desperation, and you might think a little differently.
You are probably right about the coyotes. But not all come with them.
Children don't do these things. Grown ups use children to do these things. It's a big difference.
So are you saying you post a little Mexican kid's head on your fence? Think long and hard about that. Now I KNOW I wouldn't let you anywhere near my kid with a gun.
But YOU would likely end up in prison, or a psych ward.
You are twenty? That explains A LOT.
Do you comprehend the difference between understanding and justification? The difference between empathy and approval?
Examples: I absolutely do not approve of George W Bush as president. He is an awkward public speaker (not why I don't approve of him), I feel for him when I see he is having discomfort with public speaking. I have that problem, too.
I do not approve of dealing drugs. However when I see a poor 15 year old kid on the street who has never had a proper up-bringing, someone to teach him better, a loving place - I feel for him. I still don't approve of his actions, but I don't need to dehumanize him to the point where killing him is no big deal.
That is empathy. It is finely tuned skill that ADULTS should have. You need to work on yours.
But, somehow I suspect the toughest thing you have faced thus far is deciding who to take to prom. Which is fine. You are young - and that is as it should be.
Have life deliver you some desperation, and you might think a little differently.
I'm actually not sure what all these stats prove 
, but here's a few more.
Infant mortality rate -
US - 6.63/1000
Canada - 4.82/1000
Life Expectancy -
US - 74.6
Can - 76.6
AIRAB rates -
US - 0.6%
Can - 0.3%
Literacy - both are 97%
Here's an interesting one, I'm not sure what it means -
Current account balance-
US - -542 billion
Can - +18.6 billion
External Debt -
US - 1.4 trillion ($4761/person)
Can - 1.9 billion ($53/person)
Anyhoo,
I'm done with this. It's pretty silly really.
Each country has its good and bad, I'm happy where I am. Good enough.
Waxy
, but here's a few more.Infant mortality rate -
US - 6.63/1000
Canada - 4.82/1000
Life Expectancy -
US - 74.6
Can - 76.6
AIRAB rates -
US - 0.6%
Can - 0.3%
Literacy - both are 97%
Here's an interesting one, I'm not sure what it means -
Current account balance-
US - -542 billion
Can - +18.6 billion
External Debt -
US - 1.4 trillion ($4761/person)
Can - 1.9 billion ($53/person)
Anyhoo,
I'm done with this. It's pretty silly really.
Each country has its good and bad, I'm happy where I am. Good enough.
Waxy
With all due respect, this is the most ignorant, misinformed poll out there. You, sir, obviously don't have a clue about what you're talking about if you think that the United States and Canada are similar enough to have Canada become a part of the US.
Three major differences between US and Canada:
-Canadians have a true value for life: they have a universal health care system
-New York City has more murders in a week than the entire nation of Canada does all year.
-Honestly, think about it. Go to someplace in the world, anywhere. Ask a random citizen what they think of the US. Then ask them what they think of Canada. You will get two COMPLETELY different answers. No one in the world hates Canada when you compare the number of people that hate the US
I myself am a proud citizen of the US, however i thought it would be nice to inform you of your blatent ignorance.
Three major differences between US and Canada:
-Canadians have a true value for life: they have a universal health care system
-New York City has more murders in a week than the entire nation of Canada does all year.
-Honestly, think about it. Go to someplace in the world, anywhere. Ask a random citizen what they think of the US. Then ask them what they think of Canada. You will get two COMPLETELY different answers. No one in the world hates Canada when you compare the number of people that hate the US
I myself am a proud citizen of the US, however i thought it would be nice to inform you of your blatent ignorance.