Canada = 51st state?

Yea, it makes sense. The country with the biggest and best military will become a part of Canada, a country with a horrendous military. The US, with 300 million people, will become a part of Canada, a country with a population of 30 million. The US stock market, which basically impacts the economies of every country in the world, will become owned by Canada, a socialist country. Canada and its socialized health care system, whereby citizens often are left waiting months for surgery, will then become a part of the US. Why would anyone want anything to do with Canada?
 
Well the education, GDP, debt, inflation, etc stats I got were from www.canadastat.ca, Canada's census bureau, www.census.gov (the US Census Bureau), and the CIA World Factbook. I think they are all pretty highly credible sources. The US may have a higher crime rate, but other than that we pretty much dominate everything else.
 
Your opening sentence fits the bill.

Your name calling in previous posts was edited out by admin so I can't cut and paste it for you. I'm sure you were warned regarding your etiquette by admin if they went to the trouble to edit your post.

You've now proven to me that you are not mature enough to handle a debate as an adult.

I will no longer be responding to your posts. :xbye:

Waxy
 
I own a home on the North side of Mpls. That is most likely meaningless to you. But to put it clearly - I am in da'hood. My house is cute and most of my neighbors are honest, working class people. However, as is the case in most urban centers, there is a gang problem (Crips, BlooRAB, Disciples). There are plenty of sleezy folk about. They come through the yard, leave trash in the yard, have peeked in my windows to see if I got anything worth stealing, they have fights and deal drugs out on the street. It's certainly aggravating as I don't want their mess in my yard or them around at all bringing my property value down.

However, I have no inclination to shoot them. I don't own a gun. I do not allow guns in my house (unless you wear it for work - cops, etc.). I do not want somebody else's death on my hanRAB. The only thing about my property I would consider killing for is the lives of the individuals housed within - namely me and my kid.

When necesary, I simply call 911. Vigalantism is just as destrcutive as crime.

Face it pal. Illegals on private proerty isn't even your problem - and you want these people shot. You are just gun-happy, cowboy.

(For the record I am not for more gun control. I simply don't want them around me and that's my choice, at least on my property. If you are a law-abiding person who went through the proper procedure to own your guns, have a field day.)

I wonder how many people actually have private property up against the border? Maybe some effort should be made for the government to take over that land and compensate the ranchers, that way they don't have to deal with the problem. I don't think it is likely that illegal immigration is gonne be resolved anytime soon.

This topic really had me thinking last night. That you and I have so much more in common with that illegal than we bother to realize. Once upon a time our ancestors came here looking for the very same thing most illegals are coming here for. Opportunity. We used to be a land for those who wanted something different, wanted a voice, and wanted a chance. But we are slowly becoming that which our ancestors left, and we are rarely led by anyone who has any idea about us. Think about it. What do uber-rich and priveleged Kerry or Bush really know about real people in the US? It's become such smoke and mirrors.

The real problem behind illegal immigration is extreme poverty and corrupt people in government (both sides of the border) and in business taking advantage of that situation. The side effects of that is burden on the US tax-payer, making it so easy for these abusers to turn us little people against each other. Jorge and Maria come looking for opportunity really aren't the problem. They are a symptom.
 
Advice noted, and just as quickly forgotten.

You're obviously confusing me with another poster. I haven't commented on the USA's problems with illegal immigrants, nor do I intend to.

Waxy
 
Did you COMPLETELY miss the part where I mentioned that my fiance was not allowed a non-immigrant visa?



Maybe I should take you on a tour of a Maquiladora plant and it's shanties. These are US owned companies that are operating against US and Mexican labor and environmental laws. Where is all the outrage about obeying the law? So if a US company comes in a drops a penny here and there in Mexico - they don't have to obey laws - only Mexicans have to do that? Is that what you are saying?

By the way - I am not talking about resorts. I am talking about factory wages that pay practically nothing. I am talking places OSHA would have shut down before walking in the door.



The Maquiladora plants and barely human treatment at the border of those who are doing things legally.



Well me and my best friend both had optional surgery this year. She waited no longer than I did - a couple of weeks.

And I love the silo thinking Americans have. That bad things can never happen to them and when they happen to othersit's because they are lazy and deserve it and therefore no safety net is needed.



Not entirely true. At the very least they are paying sales taxes. And any working with false papers will be paying income tax, too.

Oh, and demonizing and stereotyping is unimaginative and stupid. You really expect everyone to come at things with the understanding of your perspective? It's not like you can do the wild leap into theirs. Yes - they should obey the laws and come legally, but your ranting and shooting is just as short-sighted and destructive as their law-breaking to get in.
 
Also, I was just reading a newspaper article from April, 2004, by Richard W. Rahn, a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute and an adjunct scholar of the Cato Institute. Here it is, with selectively highlighted quotes for emphasis:
 
Like I said, it's unfortunate. But we have the right to refuse entry to ANYONE we want to.



Most Mexicans aren't doing things legally! Three million Mexicans come to American illegally each year. Not only are they destroying property, causing local police stations' budgets to skyrocket, stealing taxpayers money, and at the same time not paying taxes, but they are also angering many Americans who abide by the laws here, and continually watch Mexicans come over in droves and not get caught.



Why not? They are breaking the law. What example does this set for others...it's okay to break the law? I think we should punish them. Not only are they breaking the law, but they are putting out national security in danger. How many times do I have to tell you that what goes on in Mexico is not our problem? It may be sad and disparaging, but we do not enforce Mexico's laws, nor do they enforce ours (as you can see). If you somehow think we should fix the problems with the factories in Mexico, isn't it reasonable to tell Vicente to stop these illegals from coming here?



You continue to take the focus away from 3 million illegals each year breaking the law and undermining everything we do in the US. You seem to have no care for that.



If US corporations want to go to Mexico and pay people lower wages, as long as they meet the standarRAB in Mexico, I have no problem with it. If they don't obey Mexico's laws, then they should be punished. But it is not our responsibility or duty to punish them. US corporations residing in the US should also be punished for hiring illegals, that way illegals won't want to come here because they won't be able to get jobs. Do you agree with that?



True, human lives are important. But when people begin to knowingly disobey laws over and over, they need to learn. And if sending them back to Mexico doesn't work, what else can we do with them? I personally value my property to the point that I am not going to let some illegal foreigner possibly destroy everything I have worked for. I doubt any person with a brain would.



I agree with all of that. Mexicans should NEVER come here illegally, and the US should do a better job in helping people come here LEGALLY. US corporations should also obey the laws in Mexico. I never said we shouldn't; I just said it isn't our responsibility to police throughout other countries. It is a totally different case...3 million Americans don't flood Mexico and break laws each year.



And I said we should be punished. And so should the illegals who swarm our borders as we speak.



I'm sure there are plenty of Canadians complaining. Just because you havea a few frienRAB who don't like it doesn't mean it's all good. I'm not just looking out for my own wallet. I just don't want to throw away my hard-earned money to others. I want to use the money I make. I'm sure many people feel this way.



Taxes that everyone pays, even homeless, that don't go towarRAB paying for public services they use. Illegals get subsidized housing, education, and health care, which sales tax doesn't cover.



I value my property enough to not let illegals trample it everyday and ruin my farm, and not once help to fix it. I am going to do whatever it takes to stop it, and if that means busting a cap in some of their asses, so be it. If it means having an electric fence, so be it.



How is "mujado" a bad name? A "mujado", according to Miriam Webster, is "a Mexican who enters the United States illegally." You can call me a gringo all you want, I could care less. However, gringo doesn't really fit the description. A gringo is "a foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin." I am actually in Florida, not Spain or Latin America. But you can call me that if you want, because my Spanish is much better than any "mujado"s English.
 
Paying for health insurance in the US is an option; it is not an option in Canada, If a healthy person in the US doesn't want health care, he doesn't have to pay for it. In Canada, tax rates approach 50% in some provinces to help out with this health care. It's not the same in the US.
 
There is an extreme difference between your case and John Ladd Jr's case. He has 200-300 coming over every night, and they cannot be punished like gangs can. All we can do is send them back to Mexico and let them try again. But drug dealers and gangs get locked up. You also don't have cows in your backyard that make you money. Ladd does, and they are continually getting out. I highly doubt that gangs of 200-300 people come on your property every night, tear enormous holes in your fence, dumb tons of trash in your yard, and use your yard as a gateway to living in the US illegally.



Here's where we differ. I do have the inclination to shoot them. If a gang member is breaking into my house, I am going to shoot him. If illegals continue to violate my property and put my life in danger, I am going to deal with it and makes sure that it NEVER happens again.



The average time for a cop to arrive is at least 5 minutes. And in Ladd's case, he lives in the middle of nowhere. It could take 15 or 20 minutes for a cop to get there. And this isn't an isolated incidence, it happens every night. It is not vigilantism when you repeatedly warn intruders, call the cops, and the problem persists. Signs are fair warning, and if people don't see that, they'll realize you're serious after you drop 1 illegal.



It is many people's problem. I wish it was my problem because I would end it pretty soon. I'm not gun happy. I own a Ruger Mini-30 semi-automatic rifle that I use to hunt with. But if I one day own a farm and illegals start to become a problem, I may use it to hunt them.



A lot. There are nearly 1000 miles on the border of the US and Mexico. A lot of the farm land in the country is around that border. You can't just take it over and expect farmers to move 1000s of miles elsewhere to relocate because of some illegals. It is not their problem to move. It is the government's problem to stop illegals from coming on their property.



Yes they are a problem if they came here illegally. If Mexicans want work here, apply and go through the entire process legally. I totally encourage that. That way they actually contribute to taxes just like every American citizen. What I have no respect for is people who blatantly and knowingly continue to break the law, and don't even care about it. That is the problem. If we could stop illegals from coming over, we could allow more people to come here legally. We can blame illegals for the reason why some Mexicans have trouble coming here legally. If we weren't flooded with 3 million illegals each year, we could afford to offer many more Mexicans the opportunity to live here legally. But until we combat this problem we will have to limit how many people we can let come here.
 
Think of the thousanRAB of sniper jobs these Mexicans could provide us.

I hope you will soon say you are only kidding about that, otherwise you scare me to no end.
 
You must be talking about USA's monetary system. Half of Canada's trade is with us, I'm quite sure they want us to stay up and a float, for they depend on our consumption. I see a world wide correction coming, and I doubt Canada will come out on top.
 
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