Blog Talkback: Toons of the 2000s: Top 25 Animated Television Series Countdown #5-1

- Venture Brothers: Love the show, but if there's any show that's way overhyped by TZ... it's this one. I'm miffed it got inducted into our Adult Swim Hall of Fame in 2006. Not that it doesn't deserve at some point, but at the time of induction, it didn't deserve it. To be fair, I've probably undervalued the series at points myself. But the #5 show of the decade? That's a bit of reach, too. I'd have to think about it, but Venture is probably in the teens for me.

- Kim Possible: Really? A lot of people think #4 is too high? Personally, this is exactly where I'd put it on the list. A great mix of comedy and action, mix in some teenage drama, and finding ways to make revisiting a number of cartoon cliches interesting are why this show will hold a special spot in my heart. That, and it also happens to be the first Disney Channel series I ever watched (given my cable company had only made it available on basic cable in my area about 6-9 months prior to KP's premiere). It was also one of the few non-anime shows I liked at the time. Sorry, folks, but #4 is exactly where Possible deserves to be.

- Samurai Jack: This was visually the most stunning series in the first half of the decade (Avatar takes the second half), and that's why Jack is so unique. That, and our hero letting his actions actually speak in place of words. But the show's popularity dwindled as the show forged ahead. A more telling sign... when the show was brought back to try and prop a at-the-time dying Toonami... it didn't do much more than delay the inevitable. When it comes down to it, people will remember the series for being ambitious, but probably for nothing else. If the show held up better over the years, then Jack would be worthy at #3. Instead, Jack is just a Top 10 show to me.

- Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends: From the pilot movie, I knew Foster's was going to be a different type of series. One that would prove to be sheer fun. For people like me who never had an imaginary friend, this was the next best thing. It helped that Craig McCracken took what worked from The Powerpuff Girls and made it even better. It also helps that the show is arguably the best cartoon series ever completely animated in Flash. But the show's strongest selling point was always the characters. Bloo, Mac, Wilt, Coco, Eduardo, and Frankie. No matter what they were up to, they always seemed to delight and entertain. You could argue the show peaked because the rest of Cartoon Network originals at the time were just average or worse. But you could also argue that CN could be in worse shape now than it actually is if it didn't have Foster's to prop up '04, '05, and '06. The show was that important, and that good. In relation to the countdown, though, this is one spot too high - I have Foster's pegged as my #3 of the 00s.

- Avatar: The Last Airbender: When the first two episodes debuted, I had to do a double, and even a triple take. This is airing on Nickelodeon? Really? Truly? Is the world gonna end tomorrow? But in all seriousness, for the first time this decade, Nick had given me a show to watch. A show that I couldn't instantly write off because it had low-brow kids' humor. For three seasons, I was immersed in the visually stunning world of the series. The writers found the perfect balance between comedy and action. And the characters... wow, the characters. Where do I start? Aang, who's happy-go-lucky, yet like past Avatars, is potentially the most powerful person in the world... and is also saddled with stopping what's essentially a World War. Sokka, who was the 'man of the tribe,' but lovingly bumbled around while trying to show everyone he was a great strategist. Katara, the last Waterbender of her tribe, shared Aang's plight in not having a master to help advance her skills (at the beginning, anyway), was the show's strong female heroine, and also ended up the motherly voice of reason. And Zuko, shunned by his father, he struggled to win back his respect over the course of the series, determined to accomplish his goals no matter who stood in his way. And although those four carried the show from start to end, there were also others that helped shaped the series. From good guys (Toph, Suki, Jet - to a degree), to one in the middle (Iroh), to bad guys (Zhao, Azula, Firelord Ozai), and even a few so inconsequential yet we'll remember them forever (King Bumi, Meng, The Boulder, Chit Sang, The Cabbage Merchant, and, yes, even Foaming Mouth Guy). But the biggest thing 'Avatar' had going for it? The storyline. For three seasons, 61 episodes, many twists and turns (more bad for our heroes, it seems), fans wanted to know. Would Aang be able to master all four elements? Would he be able to take down the Firelord? Would he be able to bring peace and balance to the world? The answer to all three questions... is yes. But as many people would tell you... it's not the destination, but the journey to it that makes it all worthwhile. It was a great journey, from the South Pole to the Fire Nation's capital city. I wholeheartedly agree... 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' is the #1 show of the decade.

After looking through the list, the biggest snub from the list in my opinion is 'Death Note.' To me, that was a thrilling show every week, from start to finish. Even with the small drop-off two-thirds of the way through, 'Note' not only should've been in this list... in my opinion, it should've been #2!

Speaking of shows that had surprises nearly every week and didn't make the Top 25 list. 'Code Geass' and 'Total Drama Island/Action'. 'Geass' arguably lost its way in the second season, but you couldn't blame it on some crazy comedy sequences and outrageous cliffhangers. As for 'Drama,' if you got past the stereotypes and character designs, you saw a series that lampooned the reality genre and gave us characters you could root for.

A few other notables that didn't make the list (not saying they should necessarily be on it, but each has its arguments for it):
- Naruto: Very popular, but probably doomed by the filler episodes?
- Pokemon: The Johto seasons turned off people, but the show has stabilized in recent years.
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Best 4Kids series ever arguably, until Fast Forward, that is.
- American Dad: Turned out funnier than Family Guy - at least until this season.
- The Fairly OddParents: Nick's 2nd most popular cartoon of the decade, but may have overstayed its welcome.
- Batman Beyond: Best cartoon-first spin-off of a classic comic book icon... ever?
 
Note this part in the intro:
Not all of the shows mentioned in this list were created in the 2000s. What has been taken into account is whether or not the show hit its stride during the past decade. Do know, however, that all of the shows on this list are here because they met certain criteria that put them above the rest. Without further ado, here are rabroad's Top 25 Animated Series:
 
My opinions:
Robot Chicken: It was kind of funny, but sometimes it was a bit to crude for me
Flapjack: This is a pleasent surprise for me. I quite like this show and think it is one of the best CN shows in years.
Futurama: It was alright
Spongebob: I can watch it without any complants, but it isn't one of my faves.
Family Guy: This show is just bleh to me. I find it annoying and unfunny.
 
Just because some of the shows we thought should have been ranked higher are more popular, doesn't mean that's all they have going for them.

South Park, Family Guy, and Spongebob have had some damn good episodes made over the past 10 years, it just baffles some of us to see a series like Kim Possible ranked higher than them.

But I do respect the decisions made and it was a fun thing to do. You guys should do lists like these more often!
 
While I'm disappointed but not surprised that Family Guy made the list, #6 is WAY too high.

I also think Robot Chicken is too hit-and-miss to be as high as it is. When a sketch works, it can be very good. But when a sketch flops (as it does very often), it can be painfully, cringe-worthy bad.
 
King of the Hill: I haven't seen too much of the series, but I like how it captures a nice sense of reality. Quite refreshing for an animated series.

El Tigre: This was a pretty fun series. I enjoyed its unique take on the whole hero vs. villain story. I'm glad to see that this underrated series is getting some attention.

Home Movies: I've never seen it, so I can't comment on it.

Chowder: Even though the quality of this series has gone down since the first season, it has been a unique and creative series. One aspect that I have enjoyed is the combination of stop motion animation and puppets in various moments throughout the episodes.

Teen Titans: While this was mainly a comedy series, I agree that it knew when it was time to be serious. I also had some issues with how the characters were handled, such as how they never seem to tell each other their secret identities, but all in all, it was a fun series.

These are some nice series to start off the list. It will be interesting to see what shows will be featured next.
 
Robot Chicken - Was pretty funny during its first season, but it's become too focused on the mindset that being vulgar and violent beyond reason is funny.

Flapjack - While I don't go out of my way to watch it, it's a good show.

Futurama - One of my favourites.

Spongebob - Used to be a fan. But eventually, I got burned out and haven't regularly watched the show since.

Family Guy - Despite the show becoming more hit-and-miss for me (though it seems to be slowly improving this season), I still find myself laughing at the first 4 seasons.
 
Comments on Numbers Ten through Six

Robot Chicken: I've seen a couple of episodes of this show, but the humor never really appealed to me.

The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack: I'm glad that this series made the top ten. This is one of my favorite original Cartoon Network series airing right now. The weirdness of its story and characters makes it an enjoyable series.

Futurama: I've seen a few episodes of this series as well, but I never was that impressed with it. It probably helps that the first episode I saw was about Fray's dog, which was just way too sad. Though, I think that the humor in this series is better than what I've seen in Robot Chicken.

Spongebob Squarepaints: I was actually expecting this series to be in the top five. I've seen an episode of this show every now and then. It seems like a fun show and it deserves a spot on this list.

Family Guy: While I've seen a couple of episodes, it didn't really appeal to me.

Comments on Numbers Five through One:

The Venture Brothers: I haven't really seen this series, so I can't comment on it.

Kim Possible: This was a great show and it was one of the more enjoyable Disney series this decade. Still, I wouldn't really put it in the top five. It was great, but I didn't think that it was that great. I might have put it in the top ten or so, but that's me. It was still a fun show to watch.

Samurai Jack: While I agree that this was a great show, I also agree that it dragged on and was fairly dull. The series mainly stood out for its artwork and for its fight scenes, which were impressive. It was fun, but I honestly wasn't impressed by it other than the artwork.

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends: This series was funny at times, but most of the characters annoyed me, especially Bloo. In one episode, the characters would be tolerable, but then in another one, they would just be annoying, which would make watching the series harder to do. I think that it really shined with its movies like Good Wilt Hunting and Destination Imagination, which I think were better than the majority of the series. I might have put it in the top ten, but I don't think that it was the second best cartoon of this decade.

Avatar: The Last Airbender: I actually agree with this choice. Despite the weaker aspects to the start of season three, Avatar was a terrific series. Not only did it have great artwork and well done fight scenes, but it had a stable storyline and there was some excellent character development throughout its run. I think that it's the best show that Nick has produced, but that's just me.

I also love the picture at the end of the countdown. That's just so cute seeing the characters from the various shows on this list interacting with each other. Phineas working on Ed's arm is adorable.

While there are some things I would question about this list, mainly the order for a few of the shows, I think that it's pretty solid for the most part. It definitely clear that everyone who took part in this countdown worked hard on it and I think that they did a great job.
 
I was hoping Spectacular Spider-Man would make the list,
but I guess not. Maybe on another list, at another time.

I agree with most of the list,
and Avatar was a great series, I think it's worthy.
The other top-spot takers I have no quarrel with either.
 
Robot Chicken: a little too much dependence on the "rude, crude 'n' dark" frat-boy style humor for me, but it can be genuinely funny at times.

Flapjack: I had mixed feelings about it at first, but it gradually started to grow on me.

Futurama: An admitted favorite of mine. It started out strong and for the most part stayed strong (save for the movies), unlike The Simpsons which just rambled and lingered on for too long and got progressively worse.

SpongeBob Squarepants: I've only caught this show on and off, but based on what I've seen, it's always good for some laughs. definitely deserves to be in the top 10.

Family Guy: Again, not really my cup of tea, especially of late, but it can still deliver some good stuff from time to time and again, there's no denying its' cultural significance.
 
King of the Hill: Very consistent and, unlike other FOX cartoons, managed to age well.

El Tigre: Never saw it.

Home Movies: Loved it. Really liked all the characters, especially Coach McGuirk.

Chowder: Yeah, the first season was pretty good while the second season has just been lacking.

Teen Titans: Hasn't aged well since the first time I saw it, but I can understand why it's here.
 
That's not really what I meant. It's just that you guys originally were talking only about how it's popularity should've made it higher... And yeah, I agree too that KP is too high...
 
Like a lot of folks, I'm not going to comment on what I felt deserved to be where until the entire list is posted, but rather hope I see the following on this list as they're my personal favorites.

Code Lyoko
Digimon Seasons 3 (Tamers) and 4 (Frontier)
Kim Possible
SRMTHFG
Big Guy and Rusty (iffy considering the show ran from 1999-2001 but still)
Oban Star Racers

I've got other favorites like JLU but I'm pretty sure that's going to be high up on the list.

Here's hopes everyone's favorite series get a place!
 
Robot Chicken being ranked at #10 was a little higher than I expected it to be. When RC misses the mark, it really misses the mark. However, when it hits the mark, it hits hard, although I personally could do without the excess of "pee-pee, ca-ca" humor and pointless characters deaths. Seasons 3 and 4, to be perfectly honest, have had more misses than hits, overall, but seasons 1 and 2 will always be the best RC has had to offer.

Futurama still ranks among the best of recent years, although admittedly, Futurama should not make any more movies. Futurama works best in 22 minute increments.

Family Guy, again, I mainly enjoyed the pre-cancellation episodes. I don't really agree with the direction that Seth and company decided to take the series in, but I realize that FG is very popular and I don't wish to start yet another Family Guy debate.

SpongeBob Squarepants I admit that I've never watched ritually, but I have enjoyed the episodes that I have seen.
 
Not really familiar with the last 5, so I'll skip them:

Robot Chicken: Way too high, IMO. The show is almost the definition of uneven and is very scattershot.

Flapjack: Worthy of it's placement. A great show still getting better.

Futurama: Highly original and funny, too. Great choice.

SpongeBob Squarepants: Well deserved.

Family Guy: I wouldn't put this over King Of The Hill, Futurama, or Home Movies, but it does deserve it's place on the list.
 
In my ideal Spectacular Spider Man and Ghost in the Shell would have found their way in somewhere, but ultimately something has to give. X-Men Evolution probably is the best X-Men series, this is true, and I do like it. Almost everything people wish were on the list was up for debate. I'm not so worked up on the order since frankly, almost any order is inevitably going to be up for debate. Which is just fine by me, that's how it should be. I'd rather have debate than universal agreement.

That said, while I adore Samurai Jack and actually proposed it for #1 at one point (what can I say, for me the entertainment value is very high), I have no problem at all with Avatar winning. I watched the entire thing this year (yeah, I'm late to the party) and it knocked my damn socks off. It had everything. Humor, drama, action, great writing, memorable characters, and one of the best antagonists I've ever seen in Prince Zuko. How great was his character arc? I could watch Avatar anytime at all. It's a great story. I'm also at home with season 3, although 2 was probably the best season. I ended that series completely satisfied.
 
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