Blog Talkback: Toons of the 2000s: Top 25 Animated Television Series Countdown #5-1

Are you sure? This is the rabroad staff that made the Top 25 list:

Of those, I only know that Radical Raven and maybe Jeff Harris enjoy TMNT 2K3...
 
I don’t believe anybody was bias against anything, but even if they were, it wouldn’t have mattered because this list was a team effort and the results were based upon multiple debates. There were a lot of people involved in making this list. I’m sure there are some worthy shows that should have warranted more discussion, but hindsight is always 20/20 and I know that everybody who contributed did their best to make this list as right as possible.

As for 4K!ds specifically, I strongly nominated “Viva Pi?ata”. I think I’ve only managed to see less than half of the episodes, and from the looks of things I’ll never be able to watch the rest, but I loved nearly every minute of it. It was one of the most original animated programs this decade and it was surprisingly clever.
 
Well that explains it... I don't have a CW channel anymore.

You guys should really stop assuming that just because you can see those videos EVERYONE can. :shrug: Most of those streaming sites are region locked and can't be viewed from outside the US.
 
Well, although Pok?mon was certianly one of the most popular and influnetal animated series of this decade, it was nevertheless a very bland show, content-wise (i tend to think of it like something of a modern-day equallent to what the original Transformers was in the mid 80's, or the original TMNT was in the late 80's-early 90's; namely a merchandise driven kids cartoon of low quality, but that neverless manages to become an enormous phenomenon due to it's popularity among young children).
 
Thanks for clarifying, but it would have been ok to see something of 4kids appear on any one of the lists, considering most of the internet view them as a terrible company.
 
You could try an IP scrambler, but I can't tell you where to get it from, I will try to send a PM. It scrambles the IP so it bypasses the region lock.
 
I do like TMNT 2003, but I liked a lot of other shows better. Plus, Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers kind of left a bad taste in my mouth about the whole property that only left the moment Turtles Forever aired. Had Turtles Forever aired prior to the debates, TMNT would have been pushed a little harder by a lot of us.

I still think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is the best production ever to come out of 4Kids Entertainment, and 4Kids looks a LOT weaker without them.

But yeah, there was no "No 4Kids shows because they destroyed Kids' WB and Fox Kids" bias on our parts. At least not intentionally. But a lot of our favorites were discussed. EVERYTHING was discussed, just some more than others. Fun months.
 
Seriously, two mediocre seasons was enough to cloud your enjoyment of the first 5 seasons?

I'm not mad that TMNT didn't make the list, but I find it weird that you suddenly had more negative feelings for the entire property based on 2 merchandise driven seasons. I mean, as bad as they were, they didn't reach levels of Next Mutation or Coming Out of Their Shells badness.
 
Yeah, I'm not upset it didn't make the list or anything, just surprised at the lack of nominations for it.

Considering how huge the Turtles Forever thread was and the TZ community's rather positive reception of the show in general, I was sure someone would have put it forward to try and get it on the list.

I guess I'm just surprised at the divide of the staff and the other posters on this one. :sweat:
 
TMNT wasn't particularly well known. It aired on an obscure Saturday morning block most people never got, its CN run went quickly, and most of it was aimed at TMNT fans from the 80's and little kids.
 
That's exactly how I felt after the first couple of P&F episodes that I saw. I couldn't stand it. I kept saying: "who is this dorito head???" But with my step-son watching the show all the time, it really grew on me. And now it's one of my favorite cartoons.
 
The Venture Bros. - Definitely deserves it. Great, well-written show. On the other hand...

Kim Possible - ...Really? I'll never understand why this show has such a big fanbase. It's just average, and shouldn't be in the top 10, let alone the top 5.

Samurai Jack - Despite all the accolades Samurai Jack gets, it's a pretty shallow show. Every episode consists of Jack walking around and killing redshirts for 22 minutes. The plot doesn't go anywhere and is never resolved. It's pretty, I'll give it that.

Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends - It's a great show, but it's definitely not the No. 2 show of the decade.

Avatar: The Last Airbender - I knew it was going to show up on the list, but I was afraid that it was going to appear here. Avatar is good. But in no way is it best show of the entire decade, in terms of quality or influence.

I'm kinda disappointed on how this list turned out.
 
QFT. While I personally enjoy American Dad more than FG (it doesn't rely as heavily on the random cutaway flashback), it is derivative. The characters have some basic similarities that sometimes it feels like I'm watching a fantasy ep of FG.

But the "Tearjerker" episode was just plain animated comedy brilliance. I'd dismissed the show a little too quickly in the first season, and after seeing "Tearjerker" I've gone back to see what I missed.

Now that you mention it, that *is* surprising. I haven't watched much Simpsons in this decade though, so I couldn't really say whether it "hit its stride" in this decade or the 90s.

As others have said, general "popularity" should not have been a deciding factor in placement. Don't get me wrong -- I love me some SpongeBob, and I really enjoy *the real* Avatar but I've missed a lot of episodes and it's the sort of series that really must be viewed in sequence.

But Avatar has something that SpongeBob definitely doesn't have: deeper character development and complex story arcs. Based on those grounds, I'd say Avatar overall ranks higher.

I'm here, and I'm not. Can't really explain why I don't care for it. It just didn't appeal to me, which is odd because I love pirates.

I might give it another chance at some point, but I just couldn't get into it. Maybe it was the dub. But it wasn't that I didn't care for the dub voices -- I just didn't like watching it dubbed.

Never apologize for being opinionated. Unless you live in China.

The more I think about what I said earlier about Batman Beyond not really *hitting its stride* in this decade (as was the key requirement for nominees), the more I think I'm wrong. Granted, the last ep was a bland and anti-climactic way to end the series. But there were some great eps that aired between 2000-01, and this show was the springboard for Justice League and Zeta (and both took place in this decade). And the closure that Batman Beyond was finally given in Justice League Unlimited's "Epilogue" is to me one of the most deftly-crafted episodes in all of the DCAU.

That being said, I think Batman Beyond should have at least ranked in the top 20, though not as high as JL/JLU.

Not live-action.

If you haven't seen it, you shouldn't attempt to label it. It was not a comedy. It was a fantasy/sci-fi/action/drama with comedic elements.
 
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