Bev Testing MPEG4

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I'm with SP on this one as well, possibly, but highly unlikely.

It's one thing to be an industry expert like Scott and a handful of us here on the boards and quite another to have intimate details about corporate business practices with out violation of some NDA's.

Anyone can extrapolate details based on others previous actions.
Heck, I long ago suggested here the likely method of deployment would be to follow the DN model as I went through it myself.

An old friend of mine on here a while back, DigitalDude did have direct business info from the provider he worked for and just about got eaten alive for leaking stuff.

Their have even been stated Bev officials here and their best info has turned out to be bogus and we don't hear from them anymore.

I'm afraid I'm more likely believe a poster if he said he worked on the loading dock at Bev then an out of country, non Echostar independent even if he is very well industry connected.

Even when direct inside information has been made available, it's often different when delivered due to so many factors beyond the well meaning posters control.

This I know first hand.

And while the U.S. and Canada share a lot in common, things are different between us, thankfully.
 
Not sure if I'm misunsderstanding you or not but, the satellite itself really has nothing to do with the modulation or compression being used.

8PSK does require a better signal than QPSK, but they may use a less aggressive FEC to mitigate that depending on what rates are available on the modulators.

Drako is likely correct that 8PSK may only be on N4. Becasue of all the problems with the current fleet, I don't think they can run any transponders in high power mode. With N4 coming on board, they won't have that restriction. Ultimately 8PSK will likely be on the high power transponders only as that will give them the excess margin required.
 
It could be too much for the international customers to keep their "ethnic" programming
I'm sure quite a few have more than 1 receiver, so asking them to spend hundreds of $$$ just to keep their channels from home, may be too much, and push them to rogers
I'm guessing most people that have HD, only have 1 HD box, so the tansition for them will be a little easier, and i think these customers, will have less of a problem paying for that upgrade, seeing as their home theatre already has a few $$$ invested in it
With Bells recent record or stretching the truth, I wouldnt be surpised if they told people MPEG2 channel, was MPEG 4 to push them to change thier box
 
Some people are guessing we will see the NEW HD receivers for sale within a year
When will the "old" 9200, 6100 and 6000 no longer be able to receive HD programming? Hmmm, if it takes a year for the 1st MPEG 4 boxes to be available, Bell would have to give sufficient time for everybody to make the transition to the new boxes
It could be a couple of years until the current crop of MPEG 2 HD boxes cant get HD programming, but I guess the only ones who really know are the BigWigs at Bell, and they are too busy dismissing reports of new boxes, even when emails stating this are shown to the general public
I think most would agree, dont buy a 9200, unless you get a great deal on it (Don't pay $599 for it)
And, keep in mind the new boxes that are around the corner
 
Nimiq was talking about Americans subscribing to Canadian TV, not Canadians subscribing to American TV which Bell made illegal with their political contributions. A few short years ago in Canada it was more "illegal" to pay for US TV legally than it was to pirate it. Now it is illegal for both.

I am not sure if Americans can legally subscribe to Canadian TV. Maybe Scott could enlighten us--if he still is reading these forums.
 
Why would you want to upgrade now? I would wait until there is actual more signs of MPEG4 channels coming out, because it's not that there not capable of streaming MPEG4, it's they don't want to have to deal with all the equipment changes. So we just gotta wait, i'm guessing we might see it by the end of the year, maybe*
 
Yeah but it depends how much subscribers need to pay...I hope it's not full price of MPEG 4 receivers.
 
I agree with you.

I prefer to be optimist and see comments like Scott about new receivers and new HD channels.

Everyone comes here know Bell is out of space (or will come out of space soon) and i'm sure the manager of BEV know too.

  • Showcase HD
  • National Geographic HD
  • MMore HD
  • TVA HD
  • TQS HD
  • Z Tele HD
  • Historia HD
  • Vrak TV HD
  • RDS HD (in October)

At 7:20, friday July 27, BEV miss 8 HD channels against the competition.

Star Choice will add around 10 HD channels by the end of 2007. Videotron suppose to come with Switched Digital Video in a couple of weeks and Rogers have already 3 channels that Bell need as soon as possible.

Say "welcome" to each good news...
 
True, but some of us just like have the latest technology, even if it's only evolutionary :D

-Mike
 
No wonder they can not overcome piracy if their employees are so negative about their employer.
 
No point in crying wolf until whatever is going to happen happens.

The most likely scenario that has been discussed many times is that new channels may at some point be offered (once hardware is of course available) in mpeg4. Existing customers can merrily continue along until the "migration" or "swap" a couple of years from now. THe choice will be yours, upgrade to get the new stuff or wait.
 
That's make sense...

And they give time to Bell to change all models uncompatible with 8PSK for the brand new 6141.
 
So in the mean while potenial new HD sub's will go else were, not wanting to shell out money for a box they will have to pay to upgrade in the next 1-2years, or concerned about when/if bell well expand their HD channel list.

Bell is only screwing themselves over by not addressing up all these questions/concerns.
 
okay, so i'm going to try to clarify the information provided about the PDF file everyone is ranting and/or raving about.

The document that was posted was an internal BEV/BELL document
The document refered to MPEG 4 recievers
The document did not have a date that MPEG 4 receivers would be available
The document actually had a date in which the system tag/model numbers would be changed in the POS and ordering systems in order to facilitate the eventual transition to MPEG 4

Contrary to popular belief, the document actually refered to delivery of BELL World recievers/systems that customers could walk in and buy. (t)
It really had nothing to do with the release of the MPEG 4 receivers except in regards to the POS changeover.

Now, as far as I know, MPEG 4 will not be available soon, 'soon' of course, being a relative term.
This is information I've gleaned from my sources, take it or leave it as you will.

Nem, who still has to go to bed...
 
I upgraded both my 6100 and 9200 for one reason. They still have good resale value. Once the switch to MPEG4 is done, these receivers will probably only be good for SD ... still good receivers, but not worth as much.

Also, with the new HD themes, maybe these will be the first to go MPEG4??? They could keep the "free" HD channels on MPEG2 and force everyone who wants the new HD themes to MPEG4??? Looks like they could be setting up something like this.

Everyone is hoping that BEV will swap receivers for free (I hope this is the case), but I didn't want to chance getting some refurbished units as I can't see them supplying brand new ones. It cost me $200 to upgrade both of my receivers to 6141 and 9242 ... good deal in my mind (basically, it cost me $200 to use them for 2.5 years).
 
It depends on what type of compression you use, and how much loss you're willing to tolerate. It's expected Bell will put 4 HD MPEG2 channels on one 8PSK transponder (hopefully not more!). On the other hand you could likely double that using MPEG4 compression.

-Mike
 
Ah ok seems like a wise move, but I'm not really sure this new HD pack will meen anything for converting to mpeg4
 
My concern is that they will break the HD pack into two ... one that is MPEG 2 and one that is MPEG 4. Existing channels will stay on MPEG 2 and new ones will be on MPEG 4.

Also, the longer they wait, the more chance that existing 9200's will have hard drive failures and owners will be forced to upgrade when this happens.

My thoughts are that they will offer some discount, but I can't see them doing a swap for free. Only time will tell.
 
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