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Best Gundam Pilot In History
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Luckey Haskins
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Sure, I'll take a shot at this. I'm going to tackle both strength of character and skill.
The best Gundam pilot in history is still Amuro Ray; there's no doubt about it to my mind at all. Is he my personal favorite? No. Is he high? Yes. Simply put, Amuro is the guy that started it all. Future Gundam pilots developed in his shadow. He's the classic case of an overwhelmed boy developing into a much more mature and responsible person later. His rivalry with Char is still one of the finest. His immense talent and skill is unmistakable, and his strength as a Newtype was certainly impressive. His ideological conflict with Char over the future of humanity and its capacity to change was the forerunner of several AU Gundam series exploring different answers for how it might change. To this day, Amuro influences Gundam as we know it. Nobody is more important than him, and few pilots are as well written or developed as him.
Second is Setsuna F. Seiei. Juu-Kuchi's reasons were excellent, so I will defer to those. He is #2 because to me, he has most of Heero's reasons too. Setsuna shares Heero's brand of development, but on a much bigger scale. Like Heero he also comes out of a shell, and his fate was shaped by a backstory much more terribly vivid than Heero's. Their goals are equally meaningful to them, though Setsuna was stuck with a tougher challenge. Heero had to learn to value life and himself; Setsuna had to overcome the past and change.
Third is Tieria Erde, who has to slowly develop his humanity just like Heero. Heero doesn't talk much, but Tieria's thoughts and doubts and determination are all put out there in the open. To me it's actually him that has the most in common with Heero, so I can't help but like him the way that I do. His character development was just excellent. In my judgement he isn't even close to the most skilled, but he sure is a determined fighter.
Fourth is Heero for all reasons aforestated. Some take his stoicness and silence an artificial attempt at coolness, but I don't think you have to overreach or dig very deep to understand the man underneath.
Five is probably Athrun, possibly the most honest Gundam pilot. He's got a lot of integrity, he's about as sympathetic as Kira in Seed, and he's much more of a real person than Kira is in GS Destiny. Athrun's a guy that follows his conscience and tries to do the right thing, and I respect that.
Beyond that, my approximate ranking up to 10:
6. Lockon
7. Domon
8. Wufei
9. Duo
10. Kamille or Sai Saishi
Come to think of it, I'll try tackling talent and skill later.
The best Gundam pilot in history is still Amuro Ray; there's no doubt about it to my mind at all. Is he my personal favorite? No. Is he high? Yes. Simply put, Amuro is the guy that started it all. Future Gundam pilots developed in his shadow. He's the classic case of an overwhelmed boy developing into a much more mature and responsible person later. His rivalry with Char is still one of the finest. His immense talent and skill is unmistakable, and his strength as a Newtype was certainly impressive. His ideological conflict with Char over the future of humanity and its capacity to change was the forerunner of several AU Gundam series exploring different answers for how it might change. To this day, Amuro influences Gundam as we know it. Nobody is more important than him, and few pilots are as well written or developed as him.
Second is Setsuna F. Seiei. Juu-Kuchi's reasons were excellent, so I will defer to those. He is #2 because to me, he has most of Heero's reasons too. Setsuna shares Heero's brand of development, but on a much bigger scale. Like Heero he also comes out of a shell, and his fate was shaped by a backstory much more terribly vivid than Heero's. Their goals are equally meaningful to them, though Setsuna was stuck with a tougher challenge. Heero had to learn to value life and himself; Setsuna had to overcome the past and change.
Third is Tieria Erde, who has to slowly develop his humanity just like Heero. Heero doesn't talk much, but Tieria's thoughts and doubts and determination are all put out there in the open. To me it's actually him that has the most in common with Heero, so I can't help but like him the way that I do. His character development was just excellent. In my judgement he isn't even close to the most skilled, but he sure is a determined fighter.
Fourth is Heero for all reasons aforestated. Some take his stoicness and silence an artificial attempt at coolness, but I don't think you have to overreach or dig very deep to understand the man underneath.
Five is probably Athrun, possibly the most honest Gundam pilot. He's got a lot of integrity, he's about as sympathetic as Kira in Seed, and he's much more of a real person than Kira is in GS Destiny. Athrun's a guy that follows his conscience and tries to do the right thing, and I respect that.
Beyond that, my approximate ranking up to 10:
6. Lockon
7. Domon
8. Wufei
9. Duo
10. Kamille or Sai Saishi
Come to think of it, I'll try tackling talent and skill later.
You know, before i said that Kira was the best, but now i suddenly remerabered Master Asia, Honestly i don't think there's anybody in all of Gundam that can defeat him (Domon won because the plot said he had to, but Master Asia was totally better). I thinks hes the best Gundam pilot of them all, his skills are too great for those other guys to overcome (for now anyway, who knows, maybe some day they will create a bigger badass).
John Bradley
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And yet, it is Milliardo who complains about the Funnels and Bits lacking any honor and chivilry...
marcellusthevampire
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What, no love for Uso Evin? I know that only handful of people here have seen Victroy Gundam but that kid had skills and managed to defeat an empire while only being 13 years old.
Animangalicious
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Hey, that's just a game, in a real fight Master Asia would take the funnels out with his cloth of death SKILLS!
Razamvmt/mya
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Master Asia ain't so great. A living legend but he isn't perfect. Age and arrogance are his biggest flaws.
mr.YOU CAN KISS MY A$$
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Nope, because arrogance leaRAB to defeat *points to white haired Master Asia on the floor in the Guyana HighlanRAB* See, yes?
Bullets From Tears
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If you ask me, I think the skill and power could break down roughly like this. Thoughts? And feel free to comment on any pilots I left out.
(Yeah, I did include some notable pilots that didn't fly Gundams...thought it would be fun!)
G Gundam Tier
Yes, these guys deserve their own tier. These are super fighters piloting super robots that are about as far from real robot as you get, to me it's pointless to compare them against the rest.
Domon
Master Asia
Schwartz
The Shuffle Alliance (both Domon's frienRAB and the originals) and Allenby
Urube (I believe he loses once, then kicks everyone's butt thanks to an amazing Gundam and DG cells, then loses)
C'mon, please don't ask me to rank the secondary fighters too. I don't know!
Comments: I say Domon is above Master. This is logical, not disrespectful to Master's greatness. In the end Domon did defeat him, the student naturally surpassed the teacher. And let's not forget that even before the final epic showdown Domon was occasionally able to take on Master with Shining.
I realize I might be slightly overrating Schwartz. But he's strong, and I think he's awesome in general.
The "GWO Doesn't Know Enough To Rank These And Will Leave Suggestions To Others" Tier
Usso and Katejina (Victory)
Loran and Gym (Turn A)
Garrod and Jamil + whatever rivals they had (X)
Ultimate Tier
(the very best of the best)
Amuro Ray (Char's Counterattack/MSG/Zeta)
Ribbons Almark (00)
Setsuna F. Seiei (00)
Kira Yamato (Seed)
Shinn Asuka ("berserker" only) (GSD)
Char Aznable (Char's Counterattack/MSG/Zeta)
Comments: These are the guys that are talented enough to be practically considered more than human more often than not. The tricky part here is how a true Newtype really compares against, say, a "true Innovator" or a top-notch coordinator. Though avoiding bias entirely may be impossible, I give the slight nod to Newtypes since it is theoretically the most natural state of existence. Innovation is a tougher process that is helped along by GN particles. It also takes an excess of particles to achieve the highest state of Innovator consciousness, but the psychic powers of a developed Newtype are seemingly always there.
I think coordinators are a step below Newtypes and Innovation, with the Zero system beneath that. At the end of the day Coordinators are extremely advanced physically, and that's the end of it. The Zero System makes you the perfect warrior--if you can take it. Wing's writing doesn't do much to endorse it either, and I agree with the many criticisms made of it.
At his best, Amuro seems able to take on all comers. And look, this guy helped deflect Axis with some help from Nu Gundam. You can make the case that others could beat him in a head-on fight and that might be true, but if we put hardware aside I just find it really hard to beat Amuro. Next is Ribbons, who managed to give everyone trouble even though his machine was likely about equal with 00 Raiser at best. Personally I think Setsuna is slightly more skilled and could beat hm with zero outside interference, but the final episode is what we have to go on and I can see the argument for putting Ribbons just barely above him.
Kira at full potential just murders everyone, that was true even when he was in Strike. I put Shinn's note there because at his absolute best he was better than Kira, but for one reason or another he hit this level only very rarely.
Char is arguably only high tier, but even in Char's Counterattack he can fight Amuro evenly despite not being, if memory serves, the most powerful Newtype out there by any means. In terms of pure skill, Char is surely excellent.
High Tier
Judau? (ZZ)
Scirocco (Zeta)
Kamille (Zeta)
Haman (Zeta/ZZ)
Zechs (Wing)
Heero (Wing)
Graham (00)
Ali Al Saachez (00)
All Innovators besides Ribbons (00)
Wufei (Wing)
Lockon Stratos (Lyle) (00)
Anavel Gato (0083)
Rau (Seed)
Comments: Given his defeat of Haman and the apparent info of Judau possibly being the strongest Newtype in the UC, his placement seems reasonable. Scirocco was exceptionally dangerous, and when you get down to it Kamille needed a desperation move to finish him off. To his credit Kamille was fighting in an arguably inferior machine (really, The O was a monster), so I do think he's close or roughly equal to him. Haman was perfectly capable of taking on Char and Kamille and as I understand it she puts up good resistance against Judau, and she's a Newtype.
Rounding out the bottom half we have Zechs and Heero, with a slight nod to Zechs for what he did with the Tallgeese and his successful attempt to fight four Gundams with only Epyon and a handful of grunts. Zechs might be inspired by Char, but he does take after the Red Comet. By the end he and Heero are probably about equal, though.
Graham? This guy could give Gundams trouble in a mere Flag. No outright victories, but his ability to survive despite a massive technology gap is amazing. Wufei is highly debatable, but this guy was a vicious fighter in Gundam Wing and definitely one of the most aggressive pilots in the franchise. I wouldn't want him as an enemy. Finally we have Anavel Gato, who wreaked havoc throughout 0083. I also agree that he had to overcome a tech gap of his own, at least until he got out of the unit 2.
It's a bit of a generalization to put all the Innovators on the same level, but they give Celestial Being enough trouble that it didn't seem quite right to put them in middle tier. Lyle makes high since in the final battle he had not one, but two very narrow victories despite the odRAB. Way to go. Rau barely makes high tier because of how much trouble he gave Freedom in Gundam Seed 50.
Middle Tier
Norris and Raraba Ral (8th Team / MSG)
Lockon Stratos (Neil) (00)
Alleujah (00)
Yzak (Seed)
Shani / Clotho / Orga (Seed)
Seabrook (F91)
Athrun (Seed)
Duo (Wing)
Dearka (Seed)
Cecily (F91)
Mwu (Seed)
Iron Mask (F91)
Tieria (00)
Rey Za Burrel (Seed)
Quatre (Wing)
Shinn Asuka (normal state) (GSD)
Cagalli (Seed)
Trowa (Wing)
Kou (0083)
Stellar / Aeul / Sting (GSD)
Comments: I should really watch 8th Team again to observe Norris, but he did take on Gundam types in a mere Gouf. Rarabal Ral did the same against the classic Gundam, so there you go. Next we have Yzak--yes, Yzak. Seed's "druggie trio" were a formidable threat together that even gave Kira trouble, but when push came to shove Yzak was able to defeat two of them in an admirable effort. Seabrook had a great Gundam, but he and Cecily also took on Iron Mask in a very formidable mobile armor. Well done, I say. With sufficient hardware, Athrun could challenge anyone in Seed. Next we have Duo, who once barely fended off Wing Zero and took on Mercerius and Vayeate at once. He was also good at using Deathscythe's strengths.
After that, I think everyone toward the bottom of the middle tier is roughly comparable. I put Tieria above Rey since Tieria actually defeated opponents outright (zing!), and Tieria was basically piloting a battleship of a Gundam all series long. The rest are all very talented and can make a respectable showing anytime, I just don't think they are particularly distinguished. I put Quatre above a few others by virtue of his brilliant mind.
Yeah, GSD's trio didn't impress me. They were being chased by one Gundam and two Zakus, and they couldn't walk all over them. Stellar died despite piloting a doomsday weapon. Aeul and Sting did nothing impressive. Yawn.
Low Tier
Shiro Armada (8th Team)
Lunamaria (GSD)
Christina (0080)
The 8th MS Team (sans Shiro)
Comments: Not much to say here; these are basically the foot soldiers that had the advantage of excellent hardware. Unfortunately, circumstances don't allow them to develop their skills or really show off.
(Yeah, I did include some notable pilots that didn't fly Gundams...thought it would be fun!)
G Gundam Tier
Yes, these guys deserve their own tier. These are super fighters piloting super robots that are about as far from real robot as you get, to me it's pointless to compare them against the rest.
Domon
Master Asia
Schwartz
The Shuffle Alliance (both Domon's frienRAB and the originals) and Allenby
Urube (I believe he loses once, then kicks everyone's butt thanks to an amazing Gundam and DG cells, then loses)
C'mon, please don't ask me to rank the secondary fighters too. I don't know!
Comments: I say Domon is above Master. This is logical, not disrespectful to Master's greatness. In the end Domon did defeat him, the student naturally surpassed the teacher. And let's not forget that even before the final epic showdown Domon was occasionally able to take on Master with Shining.
I realize I might be slightly overrating Schwartz. But he's strong, and I think he's awesome in general.
The "GWO Doesn't Know Enough To Rank These And Will Leave Suggestions To Others" Tier
Usso and Katejina (Victory)
Loran and Gym (Turn A)
Garrod and Jamil + whatever rivals they had (X)
Ultimate Tier
(the very best of the best)
Amuro Ray (Char's Counterattack/MSG/Zeta)
Ribbons Almark (00)
Setsuna F. Seiei (00)
Kira Yamato (Seed)
Shinn Asuka ("berserker" only) (GSD)
Char Aznable (Char's Counterattack/MSG/Zeta)
Comments: These are the guys that are talented enough to be practically considered more than human more often than not. The tricky part here is how a true Newtype really compares against, say, a "true Innovator" or a top-notch coordinator. Though avoiding bias entirely may be impossible, I give the slight nod to Newtypes since it is theoretically the most natural state of existence. Innovation is a tougher process that is helped along by GN particles. It also takes an excess of particles to achieve the highest state of Innovator consciousness, but the psychic powers of a developed Newtype are seemingly always there.
I think coordinators are a step below Newtypes and Innovation, with the Zero system beneath that. At the end of the day Coordinators are extremely advanced physically, and that's the end of it. The Zero System makes you the perfect warrior--if you can take it. Wing's writing doesn't do much to endorse it either, and I agree with the many criticisms made of it.
At his best, Amuro seems able to take on all comers. And look, this guy helped deflect Axis with some help from Nu Gundam. You can make the case that others could beat him in a head-on fight and that might be true, but if we put hardware aside I just find it really hard to beat Amuro. Next is Ribbons, who managed to give everyone trouble even though his machine was likely about equal with 00 Raiser at best. Personally I think Setsuna is slightly more skilled and could beat hm with zero outside interference, but the final episode is what we have to go on and I can see the argument for putting Ribbons just barely above him.
Kira at full potential just murders everyone, that was true even when he was in Strike. I put Shinn's note there because at his absolute best he was better than Kira, but for one reason or another he hit this level only very rarely.
Char is arguably only high tier, but even in Char's Counterattack he can fight Amuro evenly despite not being, if memory serves, the most powerful Newtype out there by any means. In terms of pure skill, Char is surely excellent.
High Tier
Judau? (ZZ)
Scirocco (Zeta)
Kamille (Zeta)
Haman (Zeta/ZZ)
Zechs (Wing)
Heero (Wing)
Graham (00)
Ali Al Saachez (00)
All Innovators besides Ribbons (00)
Wufei (Wing)
Lockon Stratos (Lyle) (00)
Anavel Gato (0083)
Rau (Seed)
Comments: Given his defeat of Haman and the apparent info of Judau possibly being the strongest Newtype in the UC, his placement seems reasonable. Scirocco was exceptionally dangerous, and when you get down to it Kamille needed a desperation move to finish him off. To his credit Kamille was fighting in an arguably inferior machine (really, The O was a monster), so I do think he's close or roughly equal to him. Haman was perfectly capable of taking on Char and Kamille and as I understand it she puts up good resistance against Judau, and she's a Newtype.
Rounding out the bottom half we have Zechs and Heero, with a slight nod to Zechs for what he did with the Tallgeese and his successful attempt to fight four Gundams with only Epyon and a handful of grunts. Zechs might be inspired by Char, but he does take after the Red Comet. By the end he and Heero are probably about equal, though.
Graham? This guy could give Gundams trouble in a mere Flag. No outright victories, but his ability to survive despite a massive technology gap is amazing. Wufei is highly debatable, but this guy was a vicious fighter in Gundam Wing and definitely one of the most aggressive pilots in the franchise. I wouldn't want him as an enemy. Finally we have Anavel Gato, who wreaked havoc throughout 0083. I also agree that he had to overcome a tech gap of his own, at least until he got out of the unit 2.
It's a bit of a generalization to put all the Innovators on the same level, but they give Celestial Being enough trouble that it didn't seem quite right to put them in middle tier. Lyle makes high since in the final battle he had not one, but two very narrow victories despite the odRAB. Way to go. Rau barely makes high tier because of how much trouble he gave Freedom in Gundam Seed 50.
Middle Tier
Norris and Raraba Ral (8th Team / MSG)
Lockon Stratos (Neil) (00)
Alleujah (00)
Yzak (Seed)
Shani / Clotho / Orga (Seed)
Seabrook (F91)
Athrun (Seed)
Duo (Wing)
Dearka (Seed)
Cecily (F91)
Mwu (Seed)
Iron Mask (F91)
Tieria (00)
Rey Za Burrel (Seed)
Quatre (Wing)
Shinn Asuka (normal state) (GSD)
Cagalli (Seed)
Trowa (Wing)
Kou (0083)
Stellar / Aeul / Sting (GSD)
Comments: I should really watch 8th Team again to observe Norris, but he did take on Gundam types in a mere Gouf. Rarabal Ral did the same against the classic Gundam, so there you go. Next we have Yzak--yes, Yzak. Seed's "druggie trio" were a formidable threat together that even gave Kira trouble, but when push came to shove Yzak was able to defeat two of them in an admirable effort. Seabrook had a great Gundam, but he and Cecily also took on Iron Mask in a very formidable mobile armor. Well done, I say. With sufficient hardware, Athrun could challenge anyone in Seed. Next we have Duo, who once barely fended off Wing Zero and took on Mercerius and Vayeate at once. He was also good at using Deathscythe's strengths.
After that, I think everyone toward the bottom of the middle tier is roughly comparable. I put Tieria above Rey since Tieria actually defeated opponents outright (zing!), and Tieria was basically piloting a battleship of a Gundam all series long. The rest are all very talented and can make a respectable showing anytime, I just don't think they are particularly distinguished. I put Quatre above a few others by virtue of his brilliant mind.
Yeah, GSD's trio didn't impress me. They were being chased by one Gundam and two Zakus, and they couldn't walk all over them. Stellar died despite piloting a doomsday weapon. Aeul and Sting did nothing impressive. Yawn.
Low Tier
Shiro Armada (8th Team)
Lunamaria (GSD)
Christina (0080)
The 8th MS Team (sans Shiro)
Comments: Not much to say here; these are basically the foot soldiers that had the advantage of excellent hardware. Unfortunately, circumstances don't allow them to develop their skills or really show off.
anotherstalker
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You know...0079 Char isn't really all that to be honest, sure in the end he and Amuro get pretty much a draw but still before that he's the best of the Zeon but his suits are always more advanced then the normal version of the suit and of course the feddies suits besides Gundam.
Z Quattro/Char seems to have become much better overall but still i wouldn't place him with the top tiers of the other shows.
CCA Char....Lets not go there...
For best UC its gotta be Amuro though.
Best AC Heero, Zechs is the close second no doubt.
Best FC ARGO! I kid i kid...its Domon.
Best 00 Setsuna(MAYBE Ribbons, though i'm mainly not saying him cause of the Ribbons Cannon, plus in the end, Exia > 0 Gundam)
Best SEED/SDes Kira
Best overall.....thats a toughy, all those damned Newtypes and Coordinators mess things up.......I give it to wait for it...wait for it....Kai Shiden! PSYCH!
Heero Yuy, normal human trained, i'm sure even he would have been able to muster Talgeese's side affects.
Z Quattro/Char seems to have become much better overall but still i wouldn't place him with the top tiers of the other shows.
CCA Char....Lets not go there...
For best UC its gotta be Amuro though.
Best AC Heero, Zechs is the close second no doubt.
Best FC ARGO! I kid i kid...its Domon.
Best 00 Setsuna(MAYBE Ribbons, though i'm mainly not saying him cause of the Ribbons Cannon, plus in the end, Exia > 0 Gundam)
Best SEED/SDes Kira
Best overall.....thats a toughy, all those damned Newtypes and Coordinators mess things up.......I give it to wait for it...wait for it....Kai Shiden! PSYCH!
Heero Yuy, normal human trained, i'm sure even he would have been able to muster Talgeese's side affects.
redraiderbass
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Like I said before, you could be the crappiest pilot and still win with the Turn machines.
Garrod is decent, Jamil is decent. Overall the piloting bar in that show is pretty low, but it's a post-apocalyptic setting so it has an excuse.
I'd seriously put Shinn out of the list. He beat Kira before he decided to fully fight for the cause, and since then has been utterly humiliated especially with the Destiny Gundam (Seriously, worse Gundam ever.) Then again, he's still better than Lunamaria >_>. Yzak is a far better pilot than him and he doesn't even have SEED.
Haman neeRAB to be higher. Remeraber, she took on Scirocco, Kamille AND Char at the same time at their peak and didn't get a scratch.
Zechs need to be higher, too. He fights in a far inferior suit for most of the show with equal or surpassing the Gundams in a fight, and ironically soloed much of the show compared to the "independent Gundams."
Beyond that, honestly most of the Wing pilots are above average at best with Quatre being the worst. I'm going by overall Gundam context here.
Kamille's Zeta Gundam was not inferior when you factor in the bio-sensor activating. Blocking beam shots and having 3-6 range Beam sabers is not "inferior."
Judau is a terrible pilot. Powerful newtype yes, but otherwise terrible. He pretty much muscles through his wins using the ZZ and Newtype protection.
Athrun I'd say is on par with Kira. What he lacks in "Ultimate Coordinator," he has much more battle experience equipped with an unlimited energy mobile suit.
Cagalli is terrible. I already said my piece about the Wing pilots. Kou is such fail that he should be below Shiro. I admit he's decent on the surface, but in space he's just awful.
Really? You think the reject Trio from GSD are better than the Druggies in SEED? Even the show said they're inferior in corabat, but have better stability. Beyond that, they're just bad. Losing to a mass-produced suit by a guy that hasn't piloted in a couple years (Athrun on Julius 7), then getting like 1 kill since then is just bad.
Seabrook is pretty good if you refer to Crossbone (although he's now cyber-Seabrook >_>)
Garrod is decent, Jamil is decent. Overall the piloting bar in that show is pretty low, but it's a post-apocalyptic setting so it has an excuse.
I'd seriously put Shinn out of the list. He beat Kira before he decided to fully fight for the cause, and since then has been utterly humiliated especially with the Destiny Gundam (Seriously, worse Gundam ever.) Then again, he's still better than Lunamaria >_>. Yzak is a far better pilot than him and he doesn't even have SEED.
Haman neeRAB to be higher. Remeraber, she took on Scirocco, Kamille AND Char at the same time at their peak and didn't get a scratch.
Zechs need to be higher, too. He fights in a far inferior suit for most of the show with equal or surpassing the Gundams in a fight, and ironically soloed much of the show compared to the "independent Gundams."
Beyond that, honestly most of the Wing pilots are above average at best with Quatre being the worst. I'm going by overall Gundam context here.
Kamille's Zeta Gundam was not inferior when you factor in the bio-sensor activating. Blocking beam shots and having 3-6 range Beam sabers is not "inferior."
Judau is a terrible pilot. Powerful newtype yes, but otherwise terrible. He pretty much muscles through his wins using the ZZ and Newtype protection.
Athrun I'd say is on par with Kira. What he lacks in "Ultimate Coordinator," he has much more battle experience equipped with an unlimited energy mobile suit.
Cagalli is terrible. I already said my piece about the Wing pilots. Kou is such fail that he should be below Shiro. I admit he's decent on the surface, but in space he's just awful.
Really? You think the reject Trio from GSD are better than the Druggies in SEED? Even the show said they're inferior in corabat, but have better stability. Beyond that, they're just bad. Losing to a mass-produced suit by a guy that hasn't piloted in a couple years (Athrun on Julius 7), then getting like 1 kill since then is just bad.
Seabrook is pretty good if you refer to Crossbone (although he's now cyber-Seabrook >_>)
Nope, look again, I put Seed's trio considerably higher than them. I think you're right about Shinn, which is why his normal state is relatively low...maybe too low, really. Athrun's a hard call. He seemingly improves, but he also had trouble stopping Strike with Aegis.
Clearly, I ought to watch Zeta's final few episodes again.
I think Kou is being underrated even though he isn't that good. I don't think the Unit 3 was so overpowered that Gato was obviously outmatched. And didn't he take out Cima?
Clearly, I ought to watch Zeta's final few episodes again.
I think Kou is being underrated even though he isn't that good. I don't think the Unit 3 was so overpowered that Gato was obviously outmatched. And didn't he take out Cima?
I'll say that SEED Kira ranks rather high. If only because he really had no training at all and quickly adapted to the mobile suit, taking on 3 at a time. Heero and Zechs also rank rather high for me. I'd say Setsuna, but honestly I think Ribbons is a better pilot.
For me, Destiny Kira and Setsuna are knocked down a bit because they both don't really have any skill, they yell out and become better. As a soldier, Setsuna ranks rather high, but as an actual pilot I am not so sure.
For me, Destiny Kira and Setsuna are knocked down a bit because they both don't really have any skill, they yell out and become better. As a soldier, Setsuna ranks rather high, but as an actual pilot I am not so sure.
MarinesGirl23
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He's actually overrated as a "You don't need Newtype powers!" campaign when in fact pilots like South Burning and Monsha (ugh) are superior.
Stat-wise, the Neul was in a bad match-up against the Dendorium. The only way out was Gato being masterful with the wire funnels and Kou sucking at the same time.
Yeah he took out Cima, but again that was the Dendorium, not Kou. Burning and others were handling her in GM Customs so we know her bar.
I think it's only fair to compare them at their end-game stats, considering we're using Nu Amuro for much of the conversation. Everyone sucked at the beginning of their show.
Stat-wise, the Neul was in a bad match-up against the Dendorium. The only way out was Gato being masterful with the wire funnels and Kou sucking at the same time.
Yeah he took out Cima, but again that was the Dendorium, not Kou. Burning and others were handling her in GM Customs so we know her bar.
I think it's only fair to compare them at their end-game stats, considering we're using Nu Amuro for much of the conversation. Everyone sucked at the beginning of their show.
Well, there's a pretty good test for this.
Put all the pilots in the craptasically worst Mobile suit in the whole series and then ask yourself who would win.
Sure Amuro might be good when you put him in the god Mech, but how would he fare in a Zaku? He'd be torn lirab from lirab by the first thing that he met, as he should be seeing as he's never had to opperate low grade equipment. So I'd have to say Char's a pretty decent candidate for awesomeness, given the nuraber of times he survives engaging the Gundam in a mobile suit that isn't actually capable of seriously damaging the gundam.
Similarly, Zechs is able to put the Wing on it's arse using a transport ship and a Space Leo so for the same reason, he's got to be the best of the Wing Series and Even in the Epion which is clearly inferior to the Wing Mk2, Hero can't touch him.
I don't think any of the Meisters are better pilots than thier enemies who habitually own them 1 on 1 with inferior equipment. Ali has got to be the best pilot of 00 by a long shot seeing as he more or less single handedly hanRAB the Throne's thier butts of a silver plater. True, he goes a little insane by the end but, when he was just being a bastard, he was definatly the best of them.
Going cross universe is a bit difficult though seeing as the technollogy is always different, but if we assume that Zaku = Flag = Leo, I'd rank Zechs and Ali as top place with Char close behind. This is how it should be of course, otherwise, what fun would it be watching the protagonists fight them?
Put all the pilots in the craptasically worst Mobile suit in the whole series and then ask yourself who would win.
Sure Amuro might be good when you put him in the god Mech, but how would he fare in a Zaku? He'd be torn lirab from lirab by the first thing that he met, as he should be seeing as he's never had to opperate low grade equipment. So I'd have to say Char's a pretty decent candidate for awesomeness, given the nuraber of times he survives engaging the Gundam in a mobile suit that isn't actually capable of seriously damaging the gundam.
Similarly, Zechs is able to put the Wing on it's arse using a transport ship and a Space Leo so for the same reason, he's got to be the best of the Wing Series and Even in the Epion which is clearly inferior to the Wing Mk2, Hero can't touch him.
I don't think any of the Meisters are better pilots than thier enemies who habitually own them 1 on 1 with inferior equipment. Ali has got to be the best pilot of 00 by a long shot seeing as he more or less single handedly hanRAB the Throne's thier butts of a silver plater. True, he goes a little insane by the end but, when he was just being a bastard, he was definatly the best of them.
Going cross universe is a bit difficult though seeing as the technollogy is always different, but if we assume that Zaku = Flag = Leo, I'd rank Zechs and Ali as top place with Char close behind. This is how it should be of course, otherwise, what fun would it be watching the protagonists fight them?