Are some people just defective?

This is a very good point. This is how I showed up here a year and a half ago, and if I hadn't been turned onto the right path by some members here I probably would've started trading or begging.

2: Staff of trackers are treat like crap, we are the enemy, if we say white, the staff of here say black (now i can understand this, but their point blank refusal to even accept an olive branch or even listen sometimes gets on my wick), I would even go as far to say that traders are respcted more, but meh, will shut up there are skizo will have a go at me again for going on and on about the same thing.
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This is never going to change. The staff here allow blatant disregard of core tracker rules to take place. What confuses me about the staff here is that they're willing to remove some posts (often dealing with secret trackers) from the regular BT talk, but they're unwilling to put a stop to the trading which has blemished this community's image forever. The staff here will always be bitter towards the hatred displayed towards FST on various other torrent forums and torrent trackers, and tracker staff will always be bitter about what goes on at FST.

Really, there are a few types of members here. There are a few "old guard" type folks that already have the trackers they need and treat this as a place for discussion or for giving out their unneeded invites. There are some new folks that also seem to get involved right off the bat, but I'd question some of their motives as many of them no doubt believe that post count = more invites for them. Then there are the noobs that show up here, make a few posts, and start begging for stuff on day 30. There's the trader scum that this place is judged by, and there are the tracker staff here to provide support and catch the traders. There are, of course, average members that give away invites and hope to receive them in return while participating in the site in general, but these seem to be few and far between. This all leads to a rather dysfunctional site dynamic and doesn't really promote quality posting.

Which leads me to why I still read these forums (or the main reason). I view many threads created here as a source of entertainment, as threads (like those idiotic ones about TTC last week) are a spectacle that are chuckled about both here and elsewhere.
 
Thinking about it a bit more as well, there are other reasons.

There just is not the quantity of filesharing programs any more.

K-lite is dead
Emule-Edonkey may as well be
Win-MX is dead (or last i heard it was)
Users own FTPs are dead, you dont get many FTPs with 30KBs upload anymore lol if you want an FTP its on a server and you have to pay for it, and the ones that have them they are not going to advertise on here.
IRC as a filesharing medium is not as big anymore (it probably is but you dont here about it so much these days).

All that is left is.

Bittorrent
Rapidshare
Newsgroups.

Now, most of the top list, never had forums, or things to discuss the releases etc, so members used to do that here. 2 of the bottom list, Bittorrent and Rapidshare, have their own forums/comments, so members can discuss things there instead of here. and with newsgroups, there are plenty other search engines to use than here (not that they dont do a good job here, but its in the forum, if they had a seperate search index it may be better).

Yes, you can discuss things here that you cant discuss on the above, but not a lot, and the same things being discussed over and over again gets boring.

Yes, the staff say that its not just about bittorrent, ok its not, but if a noob goes into the lounge, they dont even chew them up, they swallow them whole, i have been here since 2003 and have over 3,000 posts, and i wont even go into the lounge lol

There just is not a lot to talk about on here anymore, whereas before when it was K-lite (like i mentioned in a previous post) we used to tell members what we were ripping, and when it would be done, and then give them the link and they used to be the first to grab it (just like uploading torrents i suppose it was addictive, but now that is discussed on torrent forums and not here) so it felt a lot more involved than it does now, all they really have on here now is NZBs which i have grabbed i think 3 from here in 6 years.

People move on, sites move on, you have to go with the times, and FST`s way of doing that, to get members into the forum, was to have the bittorrent section with the giveaways and trades, if they never had that, i very much doubt many would join, and even less would stay.

To me the personality has been stripped from this place, some members still think this is the place to be, and this is better than tracker forums, but sorry i just cant see that at all, its just not like it used to be to me, and if anything, the bittorrent giveaways and trades has made this a worse place, because most of the helpful members have left (either because of it, or for their own reasons) and they have replaced them with members that just want everything now, and cant be arsed to work for it (which is another reason old members may have left). (which does not make for a good lasting community i am afraid).

anyway enough of my rambling, going to bed now as its 05:30am.
 
Make a tracker;
invite all those ex-cheaters and traders only as members
report in a year's time here.
It may work
There is no need to talk, just do it.
 
I'm trying to be nice .:(
And I'm genuinely embarrassed that I don't participate at BCG .
Really it's caused by a combination of not having anything topic related to say that I haven't already said someplace before and also finding it intimidating to start at the bottom without knowing anyone again.

I mean I kind of know you and look at mess I've made of it here .
Imagine what would happen if I was loosed upon a bunch of strangers.
Carnage at the very least.

Btw there are only 3 sites that I give money to anymore and it's totally based on how I feel about their administration. I couldn't care less if they had fish instead of files .
 
I don't think most of the people aforementioned are necessarily defective, but I also won't argue that there are bad seeds here; believe me, I've had personal experiences.

What people posting here should take into mind is exactly how people end up here. It's not like someone just all of a sudden opens their browser, and are all of a sudden presented with FST without ever having been here before.

Most people wind up here from a search engine, therefore you have to consider the keywords they typed in to wind up here. Or, if they wound up here from a post on some other site they frequent, you have to take into consideration the context of that forum or post. And you can generally assume those keywords/contexts summarize the mentality of people who wind up here.

So, if someone ended up here searching for "free torrentleech invites", or from a torrentleech thread on their favorite gaming forum, do you think they're going to be in the mindset for being a productive member of the community and learning the ropes? I sure don't.

People in general want everything quick. They're not going to want to make a name for themselves, contribute to conversations, or anything like that. They just want the invites, and they want them fast. Sure, the 30 day rule helps, but as I mentioned before, people are just in a rush, and they already have that preexisting mindset they had the minute they typed those keywords into Google. And of course, without delving too far into the morality argument, I don't think people searching for private trackers are going to be too keen on following rules based on not trading or economizing invites/accounts.

In my opinion the most anyone can do to help is to politely remind newer users of the rules that most trackers follow, and to guide them in the right direction; giving them a be-a-productive-member-of-the-community-and-get-invites flowchart won't help at all and it cheapens the entire aspect of any community.

As for people who traded in the past, they just have to deal with that stigma. If they truly become productive members here and on other trackers, and stop trading, then their past trading won't matter as much. Attacking people who call them traders isn't productive at all.
 
I've stumbled upon quite good number of interesting reads by some kat called settindice(still looking for his twitter:P) and if anything they've just gone to reinforce my view that fst somehow appears to be an easier target for people to pick on.

If guys are being honest when pulling these guilt by association quick ones,then this jpeg among other things is supposed to be one hell of an oxymoron.
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but apparently it isn't and the interesting part is that as much as he is moding this invite trading forum,its generally accepted that his character shall always transcend his work and that he is basically just doing his job.As to why the same can't be generally assumed here i really don't know,maybe good godfathers would do :P.

I feel like going hard on TL but I won't coz am not sure of the facts yet but i think it would make me wet if the jibberish on TL turns out to be who i think it is coz apparently they came up with this policy of banning mods from sites that have anything to do with invite trading regardless of their positions on the issue.They did a big launch on fst a while back,fireworks and what nots,somebody from TL got banned then somebody from fst got banned from TL,what a way to run a tracker,heh?
/me zips coz from here onwards it would be just shit talk.
 
I highly doubt that FST is to blame people's lackings because ( however much you wish it)morality isn't something effected by creating rules.
By your line of reasoning then the trackers themselves would be mostly to blame for trading since they allow people invites and the free will to do with them what they want.

As for "the staff " being bitter ,not to my knowledge .
I do harbor a bit of resentment though over the fact how some people (such as apparently yourself) seem to have the ability know the hearts and minds ( :dabs: reduced to quoting Lydon Johnson) of others while I do not.

View FST as Gommorah if you wish but that's far from the truth and I think that ( all acknowledgments to current fashion aside ) we both know that.
ca_aok said:
Really, there are a few types of members here.
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I think that there are as many types of members here as there are people.
 
yes i know you were trying to be nice, i just could not get my head around how you were bothering me (like i said, animosity was probably the wrong word to use), or egging me on to ban you.

it just did not make any sense to me lol
 
To, me its a hell of a lot of different things. now i am not having a go at FST here, I am not like a lot of staff thathate this place, even though i have gone off it a lot recently, i still dont hate it.

1: The news section is just recycled news from other sites, yes it is informative, but if this site was so "good" surely they could get news exclusives where other sites would take from here.

2: Staff of trackers are treat like crap, we are the enemy, if we say white, the staff of here say black (now i can understand this, but their point blank refusal to even accept an olive branch or even listen sometimes gets on my wick), I would even go as far to say that traders are respcted more, but meh, will shut up there are skizo will have a go at me again for going on and on about the same thing.

3: Members that sign up here, are usually noobs to the private tracker world, if they had most of the trackers, they wont need this place, so the 1st thing they see is the reviews thread (guests can view that which knarks a lot of tracker staff off as well), then after 30 days the fabled (and yes it is fabled, its been coppied on that many sites, they want to see the proper version) of the WTAW thread, and as the do not know anything different, they end up trading.

You see it all the time from noobs, have demonoid, want (lvl 1-3 tracker here) and thats it, they are already on that slippery slope before you can stop them. Just because they do not know any better for the most part.

4: Members want something now, fast broadband, fast food, fast pre times, they are not prepared to wait and work for it anymore. I remember when this was the Klite forum, it even had its own IRC back then (which is where i actually discovered torrents believe it or not) and members for the most part just used to be a lot more nicer, we would help each other out, post K-Lite and Emule links to stuff we ripped ourselves and were seeding, i even had my own FTP with about 10 members from here in it, and my first 5 staff on BCG were members from here. It just seemed back then a lot more friendlier atmosphere and as we all had crap connections, speed was not everything.

I actually left here before the BT forums came about, as i had my own site and was just to busy to frequent here, i also ditched kazaa and emule and most of my friends from here, were staff on my site anyway, so it was pointless, I only came back here because when BCG went down for a week or so, a member Emailed me and said there was a thread on here with members wondering what was going on, tried to sign up and stoi was already taken, thought hmmm, pretty unique name which git stole it lol but tried a few of my old passwords and 1 worked, did not realise this was the K-lite forums for another 3-4 months after that though. (so i cant say if the BT forums in all their glory (gieaways and trades) made it worse or if it was just time and changing attitudes)).

tbh i think the whole internet is changing for the worse, its all ME ME ME and NOW NOW NOW from the vast majority, and communication and helping others has for the most part just gone out the window, which is a shame.
 
ca_aok said:
The staff here allow blatant disregard of core tracker rules to take place. What confuses me about the staff here is that they're willing to remove some posts (often dealing with secret trackers) from the regular BT talk, but they're unwilling to put a stop to the trading which has blemished this community's image forever.
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Which part of the staff are you talking about? Let's take BT mods as an example. It's not their fault the wtaw thread or the trading section exist.

They only do their job which is moderating and making sure the rules are followed.

Deleting selected posts has simply something to do with the rules (spam for instance is very usual is so called secret tracker discussions). ;)
 
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