Are some people just defective?

orfik said:
It does concern ethics. So, filesharing is legal in Canada. Well, guess what, so is cheating bittorrent trackers, trading accounts, and selling accounts. So it becomes an ethical decision, no? Then tell me why you feel someone should obey the agreement they make with a tracker, and not the agreement they make with the software and games manufacturers or the MPAA and RIAA?

If your answer is something ignorant like "because you'll get booted if you don't", then why make threads whining about it? Justice will be served.
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My answer is something ignorant like " because I'd like my word to actually mean something"

Argue all you want about legalities but I never willing gave me word to any entertainment corporation.
To illustrate the difference : you order me not to hit you and I still do .Would that ethically be same thing as me promising not to hit you and then doing it?

Or maybe it all just comes down to you being comfortable with lying while I am not.

Btw you've already called me stupid and ignorant want to add retarded for the trifecta and really demonstrate your class?
 
Yeah, from my nOOb eyes everyone with over 4 stars is an "old timer". :P

I am mainly referring to the 15 or so people who seem to stand out and and have been around. Was there a mass exodus at some point or have people moved on gradually?

I have heard Egypt mentioned specifically as a problem. TBy banned the country. They just got tired of cheaters. One of the mods speculated that it might be a cultural difference. He was quite certain he did not want them back.

My original post explains how I see things. I am still struggling with my question the same way I have difficulties understanding why people won't work hard for a better life, stop excessive drugs/alcohol, or generally give up on life.

I have another discussion going on this site and the people posting there seem to feel that file-sharing is a form of theft. Perhaps it is this underlying thought that makes people disrespect the community and perhaps attracts some of its less than desirable "characters".

I disagree. I look at this a a community that has stepped outside of Capitalism. No one is rich or poor. There is nothing cool or exotic about a $10k copy of Maya or the latest UFC. Value comes from how people use the tools. Do they discuss the shows in forums? Do they actually know how to use that copy of Maya? Can they help someone else with a problem? There is no scarcity. No need for hoarding, greed, cheating. Why do that to a community where everything is free?
 
This with socially acceptance/moral/ethics and laws reminds me of two swedish artists in an interview about illegal filesharing. They compared illegal filesharing to bestialty by saying something like "bestiality,fucking with animals, is legal but not socially accepted. Illegal filesharing is illegal but socially accepted".
It was banned from TV,lol:D
 
:lol: Good point.

Everyone has broke a law or two even if they did not mean to.

charliebitme said:
This with socially acceptance/moral/ethics and laws reminds me of two swedish artists in an interview about illegal filesharing. They compared illegal filesharing to bestialty by saying something like "bestiality,fucking with animals, is legal but not socially accepted. Illegal filesharing is illegal but socially accepted".
It was banned from TV,lol:D
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Btw
bestiality is disgusting to me. Could not compare that to downloading TV shows, movies , things that are legal to film in the 1st place. My 2 cents at least.

And yes some people are defective. Every watch the news? :P
 
Private trackers are just a means of getting warez fast and early while ensuring quality. The rules are there to make sure this system works. If you find a rule that do nothing to help keep the system running clean then yes it's probably unnecessary and go ahead and break it. But as long as they are rules you might get caught, piss off someone, and get booted. Or maybe they'll realize it's a useless rule. But from what I've seen rules for the most part make sense (keep ratio, etc..) are are there solely to keep the system in place running smoothly.

Most rules are not hypocritical, but practical.
 
stoi said:
Staff of trackers are treat like crap, we are the enemy, if we say white, the staff of here say black (now i can understand this, but their point blank refusal to even accept an olive branch or even listen sometimes gets on my wick,
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I know where that is coming form but please don't generalize about the staff here.

And as for the idea of old members creating new identities , what would be the point?
I think the truth has already been said that rereading the same stuff over and over becomes pretty tedious after a while and so they drifted away.Perfectly understandable.
Seems some still lurk , probably curious to see if any of their old friends are still around but that's about the extent of their involvement here.
 
Congratulations. Enjoy your petty moral high-ground. You're stupid because you expect other criminals to accept your self-indulgent contradictions. You never willingly gave your word...grow up. Would you sell this garbage to a jury?
 
If that reply was for me?

then

1: He is not a member of BCG, what he done/has done/is doing was on another tracker

2: I dont like it when someone that does not know the whole story, bashes a tracker for banning a member, and then sticks up for the member in question (which is what i garnered from the post by sez) but i may have misread his intentions.

3: what the person in that pic is accused of is a global ban offence.

4: If i told you what he had done, on here or anywhere else for that matter, i would have abused the trust other staff on other sites have for me, so that is why no info will come from my lips, if others want to have a say, then so be it.
 
I thought you might have just been thinking out loud. :lol: It's OK, we all talk to ourselves now and then. Just don't start arguing! :D
 
KushBlow said:
The answer is simple. We as humans are animals
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In BT, you can find all the human nature, the good side, the dark side ...

More i'm in torrenting, more i think this is as in my office, there is :
the good, the bad, the ass-kisser, the "I don't care", the asshole, the noob etc...
Some friends said : " This is internet, not RL", but these 2 worlds are not far.
Internet has some advantages, you can be who you want, and when you're fed up => shut down.

@OP : I hope that you don't do something for the other people's opinion or to prove something to the others, i hope that you do it because you want to do it !!
If you want to help someone, don't ask, and do it ...It's your choice !
 
This coming from the moron who only wants trackers that are level 10. You're the exact sort of problematic user he discusses, a cheater, trader, and level seeker.

Once someone has traded, it's curtains for them as far as I'm concerned. They've already demonstrated they have no respect for tracker accounts or rules and only want invites so they can get ahead in the "levels".

Honestly, the high level trackers aren't anything worth drooling over. They're smaller communities, that's the only advantage. IRC channels where you can actually get to know people and small (if generally inactive) forums. There's always less content than a place like TL. These trackers are tailored for a specific sort of user, and if you haven't been invited then you aren't that sort of user.

My best advice to those of you who insist of level seeking is get active in IRC, as this is really the place where you meet folks that can help you. Forums are too stagnated and there's very little informal discussion going on, but obviously forum activity doesn't hurt. Torrent comments are also a good thing. Basically you get active and people will slowly reward you. Every single one of these "high level" sites was offered to me out of the blue, I never directly asked anyone for an invite. So yes, it does happen like that. However I know for a fact it's my IRC activity that got me into these sites because my inviters are all folks I'm friendly with in IRC.
 
megabyteme said:
Yeah, from my nOOb eyes everyone with over 4 stars is an "old timer". :P

I am mainly referring to the 15 or so people who seem to stand out and and have been around. Was there a mass exodus at some point or have people moved on gradually?
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4 stars worth of posts only takes weeks to accomplish from what I've seen. :P
(and me, years.)

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A lot of the trading and dishonesty strongly correlates with cultural backgrounds. Of the people I know IRL, they don't care much for seeding but don't cheat. They just don't care about any of the torrent ethics and affairds, nor do they really have to.
 
ca_aok said:
Honestly, the high level trackers aren't anything worth drooling over.
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This is very true. If you're mostly about content (i.e. downloading juarez) you don't have much to gain from a high level tracker.

I got into one that's considered pretty "high level" around here. What I realized was that it was hard as hell to keep a ratio, and they had less content available with less seeders and uploaded longer time after pre than my usual trackers. I couldn't find out how to remove my account so I simply removed the bookmark. I guess my account was removed automatically due to inactivity; I wouldn't bother checking.

High level only means hard to get into. Hard to get into in many cases also means less users. Less users means less content and less seeders.

I tend to aim for the middle ground. Many private trackers are great and do have content which I can't find anywhere else. These trackers aren't that hard to get into. So why the hell would I trade and risk my accounts? It doesn't make sense UNLESS you only do it for some other benefit besides actually using the account. Ergo they do it just to get a bigger epeen.

A bit off topic, but to answer OP: Yeah, they are douches and kids. Just ignore them and/or laugh at them. As much as I respect your anti-cynical stance, you also need to take into account that this is the internet. People might change due to peer pressure in real life and even then it's hard. On the internet we don't even have peer pressure, but instead we only type text messages to each other. I simply don't think it's worth thinking that much about. Just accept some people are like that and move on to more important stuff.

/curtanwoo
 
IdolEyes787 said:
You don't seem to understand that the fundamental difference is that you signed on the dotted line with a tracker and gave your word saying that you will will not do such and such.
With copyright infringement I don't ever remember making such a promise.

Btw ethics and Law are two entirely different things. Some Laws are unethical and some ethics are unlawful.
To say that you are ethical simply by choosing to obey every Law the makes you either delusional or just fool.
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I didn't sign anything when I joined any tracker. Do you think a click-box is equivalent to a signature? Even if I had signed anything, there isn't a contract that a torrent tracker could hold me to, especially considering most torrent trackers try to stay as far away from laws as they can.

Please don't say such stupid things. Depending on what country you live in, you may have made such a promise. Take me: As a citizen of the US, I am explicitly bound by certain federal, state and international laws. There's no dotted line to sign -- you're born into these contracts. Have you ever purchased copyrighted material? Did you read the agreement printed on the packaging? There's your "promise" again, and you agree to it by paying.

Ah..I'm a hypocrite? How is that? I'm aware of the laws affecting what I do, and I break them. And then I can't help but laugh when the people breaking them with me fall into the same ridiculous pattern as the RIAA and MPAA. Your rules don't mean anything. Enjoy your free music, software, books, games and movies, you moral crusaders.
 
well its the upper staff obviously, you have not got a lot of say at all, we seen that with detale who tried and failed miserably. (and i do mean that in a good way to you mods, if it sounded bad it was not meant to be)

but on the flip side, if 1 tracker staff is a bastard, the whole tracker gets bad rep off the OP that is complaining on here, and nothing is done about that...
 
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