Apple iPhone 3G [S] vs. HTC/Google Nexus One

I can't imagine Apple will do anything to fix my problems with iPhone. I'd like a hardware keyboard, first of all. The hardware will probably be fine otherwise. I'd really like better software though. I want to code and install apps on my own terms, I don't want my access to apps limited by what Apple allows. I'd like drag and drop support for music, I can't stand to use iTunes, or any other sync software. Multi-tasking is important as well. Camera flash would be nice. The more open and customizable the better (i.e. The opposite of Apple).

I think my next phone will be either the rumored Nexus Two with keyboard, a Maemo 6 device, a WinMo 7 device (though not if some of the rumors are true) or whatever the best Android with KB out at the time is. PalmOS is a possibility if it matures a bit more and has some good hardware associated with it.
 
Did you get what I mean? Once the phone is jail broken, you cannot update it without iTunes and risk losing all settings etc,. Those people you said could have updated their phones up to 3.1.2 before jail breaking or return their phones to the bare base phone, update via iTunes, then jail break again.

Funny the things why you need to jail break an iPhone,

"ReadWriteWeb wants you to jailbreak your iPhone. Since ?a non-jailbroken phone is only half the phone it could be?. You?re missing out on recording video, directly uploading to YouTube, live streaming, zooming in with your camera, and themes. Yes, you?ll break your warranty agreement, but you can always format the iPhone and start all over again."

http://thenextweb.com/2009/01/13/sure-jailbreak-your-iphone-but-be-prepared/

--- Are things Android can do either out of the box or with the apps straight out of its store.

Look, even rooted and SIM unlocked Androids have access to their official Market and don't need things like Cydia equivalents. And yes, you don't need an approval process to upload an app to the Market (though Google reserves the right to remove the app if its malware).
 
There's plenty of widgets in the Android Market to shop around. Its more of a problem not having enough space to display enough what you want since raw Android up to 2.0 is limited to 3 screens. Android with Sense and Android 2.1 now extend up to 7 screens.

Android widgets, unlike S60 widgets are capable of taking in input. The best example of an Android widget is the one that comes with it by default - the Google Search widget on the home screen. In addition to being able to accept data by typing input, there is a button to let you enter voice commands.

Another example is the Facebook widget. It lets you type in your Facebook update. There are arrow buttons left and right of the news feed that lets you move to the next news entry and back. The widget would not display entries that are game updates like so and so found a Fennec for his or her zoo. Which is good.

There is a widget that is for setting five controls - wifi, brightness, silence, bluetooth and GPS. There is also a Twitter widget for displaying your Twitter feed and making fast entries.

Another difference between Android and S60 widgets is that you can drag and drop the Android widgets around to any empty space on the screen.

There are also widgets that are specific to the Android Sense UI. HTC has an SDK on this and on Sense enabled Android phones, Sense widgets are found on Android Market. This ecosystem does not extend to the Windows Mobile side of Sense UI however (there is no SDK for this). Similarly, Motorola has a MotoBLUR SDK out to enable devs to make Blur specific widgets.

The Market would work in such a way that widgets for the Sense UI would only appear being offered in the Market for phones with Android Sense, while the MotoBlur widgets would only appear on the Market for phones with MotoBlur.

When you shop for widgets, you can get widgets 2 ways. There is the stand alone widget which you can download from the market. Then there is the widget that often comes with an app. These are not listed on the Market but once the main app is installed, becomes listed on the screen control that lists the widgets you want to install on the screen. Examples of widgets that comes with apps include those that comes with Facebook, Google Finance, the Weather Channel, and Twidroid.

An Android noob tip: You can put shortcuts of individual contacts as objects on the home screen.
 
I love my Nexus One and Android but this is the best post by far in this thread. Non biased and completely true IMO. I'm actually considering going back to my 3gs unfortunately. The hardware of the Nexus 1 blows the 3gs away IMO and I hate the iPhone screen after using my nexus one but Apples attention to detail is obvious after using the nexus one the capabilities are amazing on this phone but Android still needs some refining and the android market especially does. The keyboard is driving me nuts and its touch recognition is getting less reliable by the day. Google voice, Google navigation, and the screen are keeping me holding on right now but after the 4.0 OS announcement if there isn't a fix for the keyboard bug and the spotty 3g reception I'm either going back to my n900 or 3gs
 
First off, that wasn't the argument. I do realize that Google has made all it's niks and nacks apart of it's OS, as Windows Media & Outlook are part of WM, as Itunes/iPod & Mobile ME are apart of the iPhone OS. You guys aren't arguing implementation(which is better to talk about), your just saying I can do this & that with Android and the iPhone can't.

If you read previous posts, you will see that people are claiming that the iPhone can't do this and that, which is nonsense and has already been corrected by myself and other users.

Then here you come with the whole Google argument as if no other platform can access these features instantly. I've been playing with Google maps latitude on WM before Android even existed, and yes it ran the same way even with Goolge maps completely closed.

And sorry to burst your so-called exclusive bubble, but I can set up Google Voice exactly the same way that you mentioned. I can use Google voice mail for my iPhone number or I can use my iPhone(AT&T) voice mail when my GV number is called. Of course this requires Jailbreak & entering some settings, but who cares. Capable is Capable.




Makes what look like a new feature? No excuses for what?
 
Can you at least get a modern article before you make a claim like this? Since that was posted, non-jailbroken iPhones have been able to:

- record video (even iPhone 3G units can do it with Qik)
- live stream (Qik and Ustream)
- autofocus

The "zoom" isn't really a zoom since there's no optical zoom on this or most other smartphones.

Also, there was very recently malware distributed through the Android Market; it was yanked, but it shows that Google should probably be doing some rudimentary screening for security reasons.
 
You did claim the iPhone was the best in this post.

I have owned iPhones, Android phones, BB phones and WM phones. They all have good and bad points. I have also used all the latest versions of all these phones except the Nexus One.

The iPhone is good at being simple. Jailbreaking is a necessity but it also comes with it's own share of problems. Those problems are less of an issue on the 3Gs but there are still problems.

Android is good at being simple yet sophisticated. The notifications on Android are outstanding and only beaten by BB. Google Maps is the best on Android without a doubt. There is no point even arguing that. Latitude is integrated directly into the app, no browser load necessary to see you and your friends on the map. It also has turn by turn navigation. In addition, rooting doesn't cause any ill behavior by itself and only needs to be done once. You can load many roms and only have to root (i.e. jailbreak) the first time. You can reload apps from files (.apk) and you can have your rom save to the SD and reload the rom, sync all your data and install all your apps without ever touching any but the phone.

WM is mostly the same as Android when it comes to "jailbreaking" and most of the current WM phones don't even come application locked at all. If you want to load a custom rom you will have to perform what's called a HardSPL. This allows you to bypass signature checking so you can load a custom rom. Again, you can load a rom, sync data and reinstall apps from saved files without ever touching a PC.

If you have a jailbroken iPhone and it crashes or needs an update you must have a PC/Mac and you must have iTunes. You will have to reload a rom, re-jailbreak the phone and likely resync all your media and data. This takes a ridiculously long time if you have a 3Gs 32gb and it's close to full.

So, my point here is that there are reasons for choosing something other than an iPhone. This is especially true if you like to mess around with custom roms and streamlining the OS. Android is kind of the best of both worlds because it simplifies the basics but still allows for customization by a power user. Since the customizations are allowed, they are less likely to cause instability in the OS. I cannot tell you how many times I had crashes by Winterboard. The issue gets worse when you have to do a reset and it takes 10 minutes for the phone to reboot.
 
:buddies:

Well said. I agree 100% with you. I need a physical keyboard, drag and drop (can't stand hatred), and no limits on what I can do on the phone. The hardware tends to perform well but the software is way too limited. Jailbreaking was a must when I had an iphone and even then it wasn't enough.
 
I'm just concerned with re-sale ability. I can unload my iPhone for almost the full cost of a Nexus1, but if I don't like it as much (or start to have trouble selling iPhones as a COR rep) then I'll want to be able to trade back :/.
 
That article is 100% Dead Wrong. I never had problems with iTunes or had to start all over again. Even the user comments state that. Nice try though. :lolup:
 
I got both OS, in my iPod Touch and iPhones with my family. I also got the HTC Magic in the MyTouch3G form. I also have Blackberry devices as a third point of reference.

iPhone OS missing a lot of things, and I'm not talking about just the multitasking. The most obvious is a unified message-event timeline which Android, Blackberry and WebOS has. On the iPhone, even if you have push notifications, it can only display one notification on the screen, which is the most recent one. On Android, like on Blackberry, there is a timeline where all the events and messages are gathered, including emails, Facebook notifications, chat messages, and even application updates. Clicking on them brings you directly to the apps in question with the right context set.

Another cool thing Android has. Press on the Home button long enough, and out pops a windows where the six most recent apps opened. You can use this as a task switcher, or go back to apps that are recently opened.

iPhone also lacks real time widgets, which stay on the screen, getting small bits of information that are updated in real time. For example, a Facebook widget. iPhone Facebook app is nice, but it does not have a 24 hour time presence as the Android Facebook app also includes an onscreen real time widget.

Another cool thing about Android, not present in the iPhone OS but to be fair, its also found in the Blackberry OS. The OS is able to extend itself.

Let's say you add a new social networking service. Let's just call it Hofo. If you browse through the picture library on Android, it supports uploading pictures to any installed service. You have not installed Hofo yet, so on the menu, there is no option to share the picture to Hofo.

Now install our Hofo social media app. When you go back to the Gallery, click on the picture and click on Share, you now have the menu option to upload to our hypothetical Hofo service.

On the iPhone you ould have to do it this way.

Go to Hofo app, go to different menus then upload picture from within the app, then post.

On Android, you can do it that way, but also this way.

Go to Picture Gallery, click picture, click Share and pick among the whole list of services [Facebook, Messaging, OurHofoApp, NameofTwitterApp1, NameOfTwitterApp2, NameOfTwitterApp3, Work Email, Gmail, Picassa, Flickr, Babbler, etc,.]

On the iPhone if I go to Photo Albums, click on the picture, and what are my share options? Email, Assign to Contacts, Set as Wallpaper. (The last two options are set on the upper menu on Android Gallery).

Big difference.
 
Would you lay of the music thing already. I multitask plenty of apps without any of them being a music app.




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Seriously ....... WTF does this have to do with anything? Your discussions are all over the place. Where the hell did Widgets come from, and why do you think I give a damn?

It seems you switch up the discussions to a completely differ subject every couple of posts just to brag about how much you love Android.
 
I don't hear that many good things about the Nexus One keyboard. This is in comparison with the Motorola Droid which appears to get very good satisfaction ratings. The Droid don't seem to have any problems with the screen keyboard and there's always the slider qwerty to boot. Plus the 3G on the Droid is way more reliable.

If you want a really good screen keyboard, probably among the best there is, look no further---the Droid Eris or the HTC Hero. The HTC software keyboard is among the best in the business, and its shared with both their Android with Sense and Windows Mobile with TouchFlo or Sense UI.

There are some funny little things in the Android that I can do freely that I won't be able to do on any platform.

Like for instance.

1. Using the default or third party Android browser, do you know you can download any YouTube video from the mobile YouTube side directly into an MP4 file and store it? No need for any PC or Mac utilities that would do this, which you also have to pay.

2. Directly upload videos to YouTube using the YouTube mobile app.

3. Directly upload videos and pics to Facebook without opening Facebook.

4. Sync your Contacts with Facebook, which also means syncing them to Google Contacts, and from there, sync them into any platform with Mail for Exchange. (Android 2.0 and above).

5. Even on a webpage without a Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn or Instapaper link beneath the page, you can share and send the page into those sites and more from the browser level (Dolphin Browser).

6. Set different ringtones for different contacts, Twitter apps, twitter accounts, for each different social networking service, for each different IM service, etc,.
 
Google Apps are MORE integrated on Android, You seem to agree with me now?



Sure maybe all of the HoFo people here know how to jailbreak, how do you suppose the AVERAGE person knows how to do all that? Isn't it a lot easier to just go into a settings menu and press a couple options? Sure its capable, but its not widely known to the masses.



http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/ 3.0 update, Hmm....Video, Voice Command, Compass, Cut Copy & Paste. Others things such as MMS, Push Notification and landscape keyboard also added in that update. Hey I give it to Apple, their marketing campaign in phenomenal. Part of why they are so successful. There TV Ads stand out even though I cant stand them cause they lie("ONLY on the iphone" when we have some of the apps they tout about).




I came from Windows mobile also (MPX-220 and Dash). Never said OTHER phones couldn't do it. I said how android does it seamlessly. The iphone can't do latittude at all because Apple won't allow 3rd party apps to run in the background. Sure you can log on through your browser and make it work, but you gonna do that every time you move? Thats something iphone CAN"T do.

I never bashed the iphone, I simply said there are other phones that do things better than it yet so many apple boys treat that statement as an attack. At the end of the day its's down to the user. If a person loves their iphone they will probably never give anything else a fair chance. Habit is hard to break, it took me some time to adjust to android from WM. I still have love for WM and I still play with my Dash cause people are still cooking ROMs for it.
 
i suggest you go back and read all your posts. My reading comprehension is perfectly fine. :lolup:

for the record I've never declared either device better overall. There are some things I still like better about the iPhone (3gs) however, this whole "there's a jailbreak for that" campaign is getting more tiresome than "there's an app for that". Ive been jailbreaking forever and jailbreak apps, workarounds, whatever you want to call them are not as much of a savior as people think. My phone still tends to run slower when jailbroke, although not as bad as the earlier jailbreaks. Jailbreak apps are just so-so, the ones you pay for are better but I'd rather have the comfort of paying for apps through the app store. Most people who jailbreak have no idea what jailbreaking even does to their phone. We are putting our complete faith in these teenage hackers when we use a program they release. What if one of them one day thinks it's funny to give a big "F you" to the world and decides to make a name for themselves by screwing everyone's phone up. Come on, we shouldn't have to do all that to get basic smartphone functionality should we?
 
All of that shows you that the raw Android UI, without any UI, at 1.x buries the iPhone OS at 3.x in functionality, over and over and over, like you can't freaking imagine. Individual homescreen shortcuts like for individual contacts. Individual numbers for direct dialing (press to dial). Individual music lists. GMail labels. Individual email accounts. Individual *directions for Google Maps Navigation*. Ability to create different folders, which you can file different stuff, all your contacts, selected starred contacts, Facebook contacts...

The more you start digging deeper what the OS can do, the more you freaking realize how sick this OS can be.
 
Itunes is a gift and a curse.... that needs to be the next thing apple revamps... its a mess right now..

That along with being handcuffed to it for everything you need to rework on the phone as far as music/videos/podcast go..

I never understood why no 2 way syncing with music,videos, photos... I dont get it.... that why someone can delete and edit playlist on there phone and sync back the changes to itunes.
 
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