Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth

It's a funny analogy but in Nokia's case, it's true. Switching to Android is a short term fix for them and they would be at Google's mercy long term
 
That's what they said to the Little Dutch Boy, but he didn't listen and saved the city.

I guess the glass is half full in Holland.
 
AV's right of course.

although i would LOVE to see the N8 HW powered by Froyo (or rather: i LOVE for Android to come out with those kind of HW specs), it would be to the detriment of Nokia to switch just because s60v3 was such a colossal fail. their gameplan should be to return to innovation in HW and SW; and create an eco-system that users actually want/need to be a part of.

however, his analogy is also ironic because AV is wearing nothing but a Nokia t-shirt, standing outside in -25 degree weather, completely naked from the waist down. don't trash talk if you ain't got pants, yo!
 
This is what I have said many times in this very forum, although without the pee. It's a short term solution that would deliver temporarily outsized profits now, as smartphones grow rapidly, but that would ultimately leave manufacturer adopters of Android competing with each other almost exclusively on price. That's the road to ruin.

Better to suffer in the short term and get your stuff sorted out now while the market is still in its early stages than to find yourself in a total vacuum a few years down the road once the market is more mature and there's less room for competitive entrants.

BTW, AM Radio, S60v3 a colossal fail? Even S60v5 wasn't a colossal fail. :P
 
So why not throw a couple temporary android phones out while you're getting your software in order? The two things are not mutually exclusive, its not like they can only do one or the other. Do both!
 
That is just way too conceited.

There is nothing wrong with peeing in your pants for warmth if it is too cold, but it is still not cold for them. Vanjoki could have just said they are not planning on using Android. At least they wouldn't be embarrassed if they used Android later lol.

I am glad that Nokia still makes phones with good cameras, nice designs and hardware. But the insistence on using Symbian OS is not something to be proud of.
 
V3 IMO was definitely the best Symbian experience to date. Phones like the E71/72 were solid phones as far as I am concerned.

As for Anssi, he's right about Android, and why enter the rat race? I LOVE Motorola, but what's left in their basket?

He's right, a little over the top bit right IMO...
 
IMO not true. They have they hardware (although they are trying to skimp on it with devices like the e7).


Nokia has amazing engineers (speaking on the hardware side), but IMO that's all they have. Management, tech support, marketing, ETC... blows in comparison to their competitors. I haven't been to my local mall in ages, but I had to pick up a quick birthday gift for my niece. Walking through the mall I saw a new Apple store, and was a little frustrated since Nokia wants to shut down their flagship store in downtown Chi-Town.



With that said I still like Nokia a lot, but they can be so clueless on this side of the pond... :doh:
 
The solution they have with Qt creating a common platform for both MeeGo and Symbian and owning Navteq they have more than enough potential to offer services that are compelling for their platform. There also be tight integration with Microsoft and the corporate software. Once that comes around everyone will want to jump on their bandwagon.
 
Face it. It is true. That's why the CEO gets kicked out. That's why Nokia's stock has taking a serious beating. That's why profits are down as much as 40% year on year.

Much of the sales numbers of Symbian smartphones are concentrated on the low end, the 5530/5230/5800 types. Prices of phones like the E72 all went down too quickly in their introduction. New phones like the E5 and C6 are selling for well less than $300. which is less than the cheapest HTC Android phone, the Wildfire.

The problem itself is that Symbian, and Symbian^3 doesn't really differentiate much from Android, or iOS for that matter. OS is just OS. They do the same things, just in somethings are done better in others in degrees depending on the OS. Whether its touch, OS robustness, or multitasking.

But what differentiates each other, truly differentiates each other are the services. In principle, its correct that Nokia needs to promote and sell its services. That's why Verizon is doing V-Cast, Samsung has its own app store, HTC making its own maps app---everyone wants to promote their services. The OS is nothing more than the vehicle to these services. That's why Apple pushes its iTunes, MobileMe and App Store. Now its Ping and Facetime. Its all about services now.

Does Blackberry owners actually care about the Blackberry OS? No they don't. Its a crappy OS. But its the services that are superb, the BIS, BES, BBM, the security infrastructure and so on. The core of Blackberry is services.

Microsoft has great services, which is what they're bringing into WP7. Bing Search, Hotmail, Windows Live chat, Zune, XBox Live, Exchange ActiveSync.

Why Android is rocking most of all, is because of Google services. It has done Cloud like no other. Gmail, Google Maps, Google Search, YouTube, and so on. Just about every location using app in the iPhone's vast library requires Google Maps. Mobile AdSense, Adwords and AdMob for mobile advertising that subsidizes free apps. And Google continues to expand its services, to Google Docs in mobile, to a possible Google cloud based music store.

The thing is, which is the problem, is that, Nokia's own services is trying and still trying. It has its own mail, cloud storage (not very successful), picture uploading service (not very successful too), music store (semi-successful), maps service (semi-successful), Nokia Messaging (so so) and app store (C grade). The problem is that in popular perception, not one of Nokia's services can be perceived as being better than the competition. Its not for the lack of vision---Nokia has stated the same vision many times and they are fundamentally correct about it---but its their execution that has been lacking in both speed and robustness of measure. Or maybe its just their DNA, they are a device company, they don't have the armies of developers, services and massive Cloud infrastructure like Microsoft, Apple and Google.
 
That's kinda my point here. How long have we been waiting? How many years has Nokia had to respond to the changing market, and we STILL won't have meego or symbian 4 till 2011. Android is ready NOW. they could throw on A stock build of android with relative ease today and have a competitive high end product. Google did all the work for them. :-) I mean there's been plenty of time for Nokia to react to the market. And here we sit still with no answer to iPhone or android. And what is coming soon, symbian 3 device, is just a stop gap till symbian 4 and meego. How frustrating!
 
I beg to differ. Build quality of HTC phones are actually very decent, at least for the devices they released in the past 2 years. Can you say the same about the good old N-series?


OT: I was wondering, can Nokia use Android and integrate their own Ovi services in their Android devices? I miss the offline maps from Nokia on my Nexus One. If Nokia uses the Android OS, instead of competing with other manufactures on prices, they can differentiate themselves by building excellent hardware - good camera, screen, call quality, signal reception, etc.
 
Of course profits are down, what did Nokia really release this year? The e5/c6 should sell less than $300. If you want Flagship money you gotta bring the Flagship phone.


Up until Froyo and iP4, Symbian was doing a lot of things better than Android and Apple. They just didn't have the apps or the new car smell feel to them.


Services have something to do with it but unlike the phones you listed above, how has Nokia marketed themselves in North America?


Nobody really owns a Nokia in the US and Canada anymore. Apps and services have something to do with it, but People are also in the dark about Nokia because..... "Hey check out the new Apple store over there!".


Sure they need more/better apps (1st and 3rd) and a new UI (AKA why MeeGo is coming), but they also need to actually spend time getting the word out instead of "Hopefully you'll look us up on Youtube" or "Hey guys check out our neato 'Mystery Event'..." :2thumbs: :doh:
 
^ +1

the Desire, the Legend = better build than the N97, N95. maybe it's not fair because these are slate phones w/ no moving parts, but NOTHING creaks on these phones, the paint hasn't come off anywhere, no camera lens scratches, etc.
 
Understanding the difference between now and a few years down the road is pretty important here.

They want to fix this now, while the market is still open to competitive entrants, like I said above. If they go with Android, then in the future they will have nothing to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers and they will have no assets to fall back on. There will be no option, then, for them to compete on price because everyone will be putting everyone else out of business trying to do the same. Right now they can fix this problem and build a foundation for the future while they still make solid money selling lower-end handsets.

As I also said above. Better to suffer for a few years now and get this fixed up then suffer later and forevermore.
 
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