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On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:46:13 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:


Apparently you missed the part where I said I think the current boy's
"wish" to meet Ina is his mother's wish, not his AND I didn't blame
Ina for turning it down. I also think that children as young as 4
would never dream of killing animals unless their parents did it
already. I think that the make a wish grant to kill animals was
probably instigated by that boy's parents. Otherwise they would have
taken him out hunting and skipped MAW.

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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:46:13 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:


I understand when a person who eats no meat or animal byproducts and
doesn't use anything that is made from animals, complains about
animals being used for those things.

I don't understand why anyone who eats meat or uses animals byproducts
would complain about anyone hunting. As long as the meat is used and
the animal wasn't tortured to death, why would it concern someone?

I'm not attempting to knock someone else for their beliefs, just to
understand them.

What is the difference between some giant corporation killing Millions
of head of cattle and Billions of chickens each year and someone
killing the animal while hunting and then using the meat?

This "Make-a-wish" group gives some kid who has only a short time left
to live, his wish to go hunt, kill and eat an animal...So what? Who
are we to judge this group or the child if we consume meat also?
 
On 30/03/2011 5:51 PM, notbob wrote:
LOL can't help but think of the marketing line used by Ontario pork
producers a few years ago.... Pork, the other white meat.
 
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:57:54 -0700, "Dimitri"
wrote:



Your and the blogger's condemnation are idiotic. No celebrity has the
responsibility to accept every charity request made. Each is entitled
to put efforts where ever they choose or even nowhere at all.

The bitch is the one who wrote the article, which is truly
Twitter-worthy only, followed by its cheerleaders.

Boron
 
"Boron Elgar" wrote in message
news:o[email protected]...

Without question I disagree.

Certainly EVERY request is unreasonable but I think a few minutes with a
child with a life threatening illness is a different story. Especially when
you understand the M-A-W foundation takes care of ALL the details and the
only involvement for the celebrity is a little of their precious time.

Dimitri
 
On 30/03/2011 6:07 PM, sf wrote:
Missed it? I just looked at the mother's blog and she says he has
wanted to meet her for three years. Her March 2011 update sure makes it
look like it was all his idea.

I don't doubt that a four year old boy might want to go hunting,. I
would have when I was four. My father had grown up in farm country and
taught us all to shoot, but he was not a hunter.
 
On 30/03/2011 6:08 PM, Landon wrote:


I certainly appreciate your point of view. It is a matter of doing it
yourself instead of having it done by someone who has an unpleasant job.



None AFAIAC.



I wonder how they would feel if he wanted to go to one of those seafood
places where you can pick out the lobster you are going to eat. Not a
heck of a lot of difference IMO
 
On 26/03/2011 1:57 PM, Dimitri wrote:

I am not a great fanny of the Barefoot Contessa, but I have no problem
with her turning down request like that. You can't expect everyone
with a TV show to allow any Tom Dick or Harry on their show to make that
guest feel good about themselves.

FWIW.... we are having a fund raising dance and silent auction for my
charity organization tonight. I went to just about every store and
business in the area looking for donations for the auction and less than
10% donated. I am not saying that they are cheap and don`t donate to
any charity but I guess they were supporting other charities.
 
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
(snippage and wishing you well on your fund drive)

I agree, Dave. I'm not Ina Garten but I get calls all the time from
people/causes asking for money. I have some specific charities I give
donations to. The rest of them just have to accept it when I say sorry, but
no. It doesn't make Twitter or Facebook or whatever. Being a celebrity
apparently makes you even more of a target, and if you (or your publicist or
whatever) says no it's "news". I don't think that's fair.

Jill
 
On 26/03/2011 4:41 PM, jmcquown wrote:




FWIW, I have been volunteering for a local charity organization that I
think it is worthwhile. In fact, I joined the board last year in order
to take an even more active role in it. We have a therapeutic riding
school and teach mentally and physically disabled children and adults to
ride. During the summer I spend 2-3 hours a night three nights a week
and sometimes daytime sessions. I am also involved in our fund raising
activities, like the dinner dance and silent auction that we had last night.

There are causes that do not interest me but to which I might donate
small amounts of money. There is the constant barrage of beg letters. I
donate money to the Cancer Society. My wife and I sell daffodils fro
them Cancer Society. But then I end up getting beg letters from
variations of cancer societies fro every organ int he body. breast
cancer, brain cancer, liver cancer, skin cancer..... Then there is the
Heart an Stroke Society, Leukemia...... come on... overkill.


There are charities with which I disagree with. I think some of them are
ridiculous and will not bother saying which because someone is bound to
get offended. There is one exception.... a local branch of Community
Living, an organization for the care and housing of developmentally
disabled. I made a legitimate complaint to them and instead of
thanking me and acting on it, they lied to me.

I used to deal with some of their group homes when I was working. I
came to recognize their staff, their clients and their vehicles. I
started see them at the gym at my local YMCA and observed that rather
than the workers supervising the clients while they did their exercise
regimes, it was the workers who were working out and ignoring their
charges. In one case, one of the lower functioning clients was sat down
on a bench while her worker was on a stationary bike. When the girl
started acting up and walking around the worker yelled at her to sit
down and be quiet.

That was the last straw for me. I wrote to them to tell them what I had
seen. I told them the date and time and described the people. Someone
wrote back to tell me that they logged in at the Y and checked their
records and their people were not there that day. They lied. I know
they were Community Living staff and clients. I even heard on of the
workers telling a friend that he worked for them. This was a guy
working out and talking with his buddy after having left one of his
disabled clients to fend for himself.

I was upset enough with the way the staff were neglecting their clients.
I was even more upset that they would lie to me when I reported a
legitimate beef.
 
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Dimitri wrote:


I think the sin is in not being mindful of who was turned down. Call me
cynical, but I realize that most celebrities simply cannot respond to every
request made of them. I'm also not saying humanitarian decisions should be
made solely on PR grounds, but in this case turning down Make A Wish is
quite the public blunder.
 
Landon wrote:


This is easily explained.

It's because it is more humane for animals to be professionally
slaughtered by trained professionals under controlled conditions.
Hunting can be, and often is, needlessly cruel.

Say you're blowing away elk from a helicopter. Some will get hit in
the lung, some in the leg, and they will not die very quickly and will be
in sustained agony. Same if you're an untrained six-year-old on a
Make-a-Wish sponsored hunt. Is the kid going to get off a single clean
shot to the brain? Or a fox hunter unleashing dogs to terrorize your prey.
There the goal is actually to be as inhumane as possible.

Some hunting may be humane; but it is not regulated in such a way
that it is always, or even very often, humane.

Whereas in a slaughterhouse, the animal gets a slug to the brain,
loses consciousness instantly and dies moments later. It's a much
less troubling scenario.

Steve
 
In article ,
"Nunya Bidnits" wrote:


Exactly. She is a public figure and she does other charitable work
quite publicly. Turning down a six year old from Make a Wish is a bad
idea from a PR standpoint, if nothing else. It's possible the request
never even made it to her, but at the very least a PR person needs to be
fired.

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
 
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:23:51 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:

Thanks for the informative reply. I think I understand your position.
I don't really agree with it, but I understand.

I've seen pet cows that were owned by people who baby them like some
would a puppy. The cows are happy, and really get into a good ear
scratch. You can see how much they enjoy it.

When another creature is herded into a pen with several hundred others
and driven through chutes to methodic killing, I see no "humane"
treatment there. If it were people being treated in this manner, those
doing it would be considered savages of the lowest order.

Humans are pretty funny about how they justify killing of things
*they* want to kill.

I think its a bit hypocritical actually.

On professional hunts, there is always a backup gun used by a
professional hunter to kill the beast in the event of a bad shot. I've
never seen one without it. Also, when critters are shot from the sky,
a huge scope is used with a rifle that has enough knock-down power to
put anything down. The guys shooting are very, very good at it. I've
been there and done that. Getting a head shot is pretty easy if you
have a pilot that knows his stuff.

I've never understood how anything can be killed humanely. You're
killing the thing! How is that humane?

I'm not busting your chops man. I've hunted, fished, cleaned many,
many types of animals for meat in my life. When taking a newbie on a
hunting trip, its common to test their ability with the weapon they'll
be using. If they can't hit anything, you simply don't allow them to
shoot. If they want, they can spot the creature and one of the
professionals will kill it for them. No gut shots are allowed or
permitted...Ever! When using a scope, a gut shot would be inexcusable.
You don't shoot them when they're on the run unless you are trained to
hit them in that manner.
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:12:12 -0700, Ran?e at Arabian Knits
wrote:


Assuming she was the one to make a decision or her staff made it with
her knowledge and permission, she has every right to turn down any
charitable request whatsoever, whether it is from a dying child,
Mother Theresa (even as ghost), some patriotic cause, the
disease-of-the-day or anything else

The obligation for any celebrity to unequivocally participate in one
particular charity is untenable.

Blogs, Twitter and TMZ have made this microscopic molehill into a
massive mountain range. Really, half the Middle East is under fire
these days and Japan is in such dire straights...this is utter
nonsense to occupy front pages.

Boron
 
Landon wrote:


Sure, I should have been clearer. Not all professional slaughtering
is humane, not by a long shot. In addition to banning hunting,
we should ban at least the worst food-industry slaughtering practices.

This is one area where many western countries are ahead of the U.S.

Thanks for posting.


Steve
 
On 28/03/2011 2:37 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:



Horse pucky. Make A Wish has no right to make demands on any
organization, any business, any celebrity or any individual. They were
turned down once, apparently graciously. The could have taken a hint,
but then they tried again. Then they did the unpardonable, IMO, but
releasing the information that Ina had turned them down.

When I was working at our fundraiser silent auction on the weekend I
made a point of telling people who had donated various items. I most
definitely did not tell any of our guests who had refused to donate and
I strongly disapprove of charities outing celebrities who fail to
support them.
 
On 30/03/2011 6:50 PM, Steve Pope wrote:

Maybe we should just pass regulations to prevent people from buying and
consuming meat products if they object to hunting and slaughter practices.

How about fish. They pull then in by the net full and dump them into the
hull to suffocate.
 
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