Android overtakes Symbian as the leading smartphone platform in Q4 2010

LOL yup and it's beyond ridiculous. Even though Nokia still leads the world in phone manufacturer and symbian was no.1 OS til today, it still shows how great nokia is as a brand and how gimmicky android's success. Let's be honest here, if Iphone was on every GSM network worldwide would people even care about android?? Not by a large margin.
 
^wow, that is a lot of key positions.. big changes



I hope you are right! There has been so much money put into symbian and meego, it would be really sad to see either one go.. it just makes no sense.
 
Just for the sake of argument, how does this make sense? This would be Microsoft getting two things from Nokia and Nokia getting zero things from Microsoft. Ovi Maps on WP7 would be a benefit for MS since MS has no navigation solution. Bing on Nokia devices (It's already there, BTW, so I don't know what else they could do.) would be a benefit for MS since it opens the service up to potentially a hundred million people. What does Nokia get?

As for sacking managers, I'm fully in support. Some of the top-level people really don't belong and they need to go. Tero Ojanpera is a great example - he's a super smart guy but his expertise is in RF. What the hell does he know about Services and what has he done in that position? Nothing but fail. Nokia really needs to streamline its middle management even further, though. There's only a few top-level people but hundreds or thousands of useless middle managers. They need to put fewer layers between Elop and the people who do the actual development work because something is being lost in the chain upwards and it's obviously damaging Nokia's execution, strategies and now its business position.
 
I'm an avid and heavy user of iOS and Apple, but I am still rooting for Nokia. I have always liked their unlocked, devil be damned way of doing things, and I hope they do well in the future.

Although I'm aware of all the reviews, I have to say that in my hands I do not see much difference between Symbian and Android, and I think that it wouldn't take changing Symbian very much to make it every bit as good as Android, and I think that Nokia's Meego platform hasn't even begun to realise its potential.

Nokia has a future, if they can get their acts together and market themselves correctly in North America. There's a huge marketing advantage to Apple and Android right now. Apple is just very insightful, and has a reputation for things that just work correctly and easily, and they can capitalise on that. With Android, you have the advantage of giants like Verizon and Google spending tonnes of money advertising Android devices. Samsung doesn't have to spend much money on advertising. Verizon and Google will do it for them.

I can't tell Nokia how to do it, but I'm rooting for them. :-)
 
nokia sells tons of $20 phones. that's a market nobody in their right mind, including elop, wants any part of except, elop is stuck there and can't escape, and the others are glad they aren't. unit sales mean nothing and that's why nokia' stock has been just plain terrible.
 
if nokia sold a wp7 handset in NA, they might acually get more than 1% share. putting almost anything But symbian or meego on a handset in NA is virtually a guarantee that market share goes up there.
 
i dont look at it like that. really it should be "why arent those 7 other manufacturers begging nokia to put their free open OS on their phones"? fair fight or not, samsung and HTC completely have the option to go to symbian as an OS. so in a way it is a fair fight in those terms.
 
It could also increase risk for the company. Just read in the Wall Street Journal online, that after Moody's downgrade, Standard and Poor's is considering lowering their credit rating on Nokia, based 'on competitiveness'.

A downgrade from S&P, according to the piece, can happen post-Elop's investor presentation, depending on what he says.

Whatever they do, the markets and investors seem to have lost patience with the company, and it all seems like it's coming to a head right around now (sort of like the events in Egypt....sort of). The company has had since 2007, transition year after transition year, and it seems like time is running out for them. This is OPK's ruinous legacy.

Nokia may just be better off, at the end of the day, buying back a good chunk of their own shares, maybe even going private, while they sort their business out.
 
actually since Elop dropped his hint that Nokia is ready for some radical change, the shares have been strong. There is optimism that nokia now has a leader that will take a risk. Whether they can execute the new strategy is another matter entirely, however.
 
I disagree.

Meego, technically, may be nice, and I'd love to play with a Meego device (when they finally get around to shipping), but as a part of a Nokia-Ovi ecosystem, it will be just as marginal in North America as Symbian.
 
I read a business analysis piece on the mobile market in a non-online periodical, and the author had an interesting solution: Nokia should buy Motorola Mobility, which may be looking for a suitor.

This way, they're instantly one of the premiere Android OEMs, they'd have a top U.S. presence, and to please the Nokia faithful, they'd be using Android....without actually running it on 'Nokia' branded phones, but on the 'Motorola' brand.

Boom. Solution that makes everyone happy. Go with it, Elop.
 
The idea of a dual brand solution has been mentioned here before. It was also mentioned at the time that Palm was on the block. Even if Nokia could deliver MeeGo or an updated Symbian with a fresh interface entirely in-house on an entirely new brand of its own creation, it might get them around the barriers of opinion that have sprung up around the company. I definitely think this is a good idea in principle.

Buying a company like Motorola Mobility is a pretty good idea if you want an instant presence, IMO, except that Motorola is a money-losing pig and this is the hey-day of Android's advance and growth. I wouldn't pay 9B (assuming no premium to current price) for Motorola. It won't be a contributing acquisition autonomously, it won't be easy to integrate into Nokia to achieve R&D cost savings and it isn't cheap in the first place.
 
It's expensive, and integration wouldn't be easy, as the cultures are totally different, but it makes business sense.

In the U.S. market, realistically, whether they buy a company or create one of their own, I think a dual brand strategy is the best option Nokia has. The Nokia and Ovi brands in the States have zero traction.

Personally, I thought that Palm would have been a perfect fit inside Nokia; in my opinion, not acquiring Palm, and creating a new competitor in H-P, was a huge strategic error on Espoo's part.

The legacy of OPK and Vanjoki, I guess. I don't doubt that Elop would have made that Palm acquisition deal so fast, our heads would still be spinning.
 
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