Android overtakes Symbian as the leading smartphone platform in Q4 2010
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cupcakes&pancakes
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That might still continue, but it's looking more likely, though not certain of course, that Nokia is adding WP7 to the mix.
And I doubt it's a one device experiment. They're probably going to be aiming it at the markets where they've seen share slide: the U.S. and Western Europe. Android would probably have been wiser, but whatever, it looks like Elop is hitching the company wagon to the Microsoft horse in one form or another.
I've no doubt that all the old-timer Symbian/Nokia fans will hate it and curse Elop's name, but it's the situation that OPK left the company in. It's on past management's shoulders, really.
Of course, everyone could be wrong and on 2/11, Elop says that they're just keeping on with their old strategy. We'll see in a week; should be interesting regardless.
And I doubt it's a one device experiment. They're probably going to be aiming it at the markets where they've seen share slide: the U.S. and Western Europe. Android would probably have been wiser, but whatever, it looks like Elop is hitching the company wagon to the Microsoft horse in one form or another.
I've no doubt that all the old-timer Symbian/Nokia fans will hate it and curse Elop's name, but it's the situation that OPK left the company in. It's on past management's shoulders, really.
Of course, everyone could be wrong and on 2/11, Elop says that they're just keeping on with their old strategy. We'll see in a week; should be interesting regardless.
I don't get why people are pissed off about stuff like that. Engadget obviously does a lot of stuff that are tongue-in-cheek with plenty of hipster-ish sarcasm; what, you've never listened to one of the podcasts?
They don't pretend to be CNET or something. It's tech news as entertainment.
They don't pretend to be CNET or something. It's tech news as entertainment.
BabyGuRL2002
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hmm... Nokia, Intel and Microsoft. Box, CPU and OS. I've seen something like that before. Not a bad combination once they all get their parts right.
It would be the third power versus Apple plus IOS, and Google plus everybody else.
Not sure I would want one right now, but in three, four years NIM would be perfectly capable of producing a best seller.
It would be the third power versus Apple plus IOS, and Google plus everybody else.
Not sure I would want one right now, but in three, four years NIM would be perfectly capable of producing a best seller.
Marianelis
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I'm actually interested what Elop will say now on 2/11/11.
I figure it'll go one of two ways:
He announces that they adopt another OS for say, the U.S. and Western European markets. In response, the cry from Symbian fan boys is heard far and wide and who will then self-immolate themselves on their N95s.
The other possibility is Nokia keeps on going with Symbian and Meego alone; the cry this time will come from Nokia's shareholders, who will rush to yell 'Sell' into their iPhones, to their brokers.
I figure it'll go one of two ways:
He announces that they adopt another OS for say, the U.S. and Western European markets. In response, the cry from Symbian fan boys is heard far and wide and who will then self-immolate themselves on their N95s.
The other possibility is Nokia keeps on going with Symbian and Meego alone; the cry this time will come from Nokia's shareholders, who will rush to yell 'Sell' into their iPhones, to their brokers.
AHHHH! ALIENS!
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The way I see Nokia has to thank Google for their 30% growth. With Android growing at 615%, the Symbian numbers are from the Greenbot Juggernaut's wake.
And king601 is right, once Nokia got knocked down from the top, all the little piranhas from China (no disrespect) are coming to nibble at it.
I see an Oracle buying Sun future for Nokia if they don't go through some philosophical evolution. They are both great hardware makers who fumbled their software development. And Java is a lot more relevant than Symbian.
Better be a Dell than a Commodore. Which btw was the top PC seller in the early 80s.
Not being a troll, just trying to warn of an impending disaster.
And king601 is right, once Nokia got knocked down from the top, all the little piranhas from China (no disrespect) are coming to nibble at it.
I see an Oracle buying Sun future for Nokia if they don't go through some philosophical evolution. They are both great hardware makers who fumbled their software development. And Java is a lot more relevant than Symbian.
Better be a Dell than a Commodore. Which btw was the top PC seller in the early 80s.
Not being a troll, just trying to warn of an impending disaster.
If it's true, it's more likely that it's focused on the U.S. market primarily, so Ovi integration isn't a big factor. Ovi aside from, say, Maps, doesn't really contain much in there for a U.S. user.
It's a chicken and egg thing, but Ovi content was always more popular in Asia and Europe; you'll find soccer (football) and cricket score apps, London or Asian "tube" maps and a Tesco (a UK supermarket chain) app; also, the Nokia Music store, which caters to individual country musical tastes, but again, never launched in the States.
Nokia wouldn't be losing money by not offering Ovi....since Ovi services aren't making money for them in the U.S. anyway.
It's a chicken and egg thing, but Ovi content was always more popular in Asia and Europe; you'll find soccer (football) and cricket score apps, London or Asian "tube" maps and a Tesco (a UK supermarket chain) app; also, the Nokia Music store, which caters to individual country musical tastes, but again, never launched in the States.
Nokia wouldn't be losing money by not offering Ovi....since Ovi services aren't making money for them in the U.S. anyway.
Rawrr.Tigah
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I doubt Nokia will dispense with either Symbian or MeeGo.
I also doubt we'll see a WP7 phone unless it's being marketed and sold by Microsoft but designed and manufactured by Nokia (sort of like a Nexus One or S). WP7 has nothing to offer anybody, least of all Nokia. It would be a huge downgrade for Nokia and Nokia users in every sense with the exception of animated screen flicks and program switching - sounds like a great trade for, say, full navigation. Plus, the effort required to deliver a WP7 device with the basic functionality that Nokia users expect from Symbian platforms would be years in the making.
I don't understand why people think that because Elop worked at Microsoft he either has some affinity for Microsoft or that he's some sort of sleeper agent or something. I doubt Nokia will adopt WP7 unless Microsoft pays them to produce devices for them and, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if other vendors started to drop WP7. What's the point of Samsung or HTC paying license fees to sell 500K WP7 phones a quarter when they sell many millions (and growing) of Android phones?
WP7 literally makes zero business sense for Nokia and any so-called analyst who claims that WP7 is a logical course of action has some sort of ulterior motive.
I also doubt we'll see a WP7 phone unless it's being marketed and sold by Microsoft but designed and manufactured by Nokia (sort of like a Nexus One or S). WP7 has nothing to offer anybody, least of all Nokia. It would be a huge downgrade for Nokia and Nokia users in every sense with the exception of animated screen flicks and program switching - sounds like a great trade for, say, full navigation. Plus, the effort required to deliver a WP7 device with the basic functionality that Nokia users expect from Symbian platforms would be years in the making.
I don't understand why people think that because Elop worked at Microsoft he either has some affinity for Microsoft or that he's some sort of sleeper agent or something. I doubt Nokia will adopt WP7 unless Microsoft pays them to produce devices for them and, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if other vendors started to drop WP7. What's the point of Samsung or HTC paying license fees to sell 500K WP7 phones a quarter when they sell many millions (and growing) of Android phones?
WP7 literally makes zero business sense for Nokia and any so-called analyst who claims that WP7 is a logical course of action has some sort of ulterior motive.
HT is ritired
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A webOS phone with a bigger screen+better hardware and the N9 are the only two things I'm eager to hear about, otherwise I'm probably not buying a phone this year.
the only thing about a "nexus" type device for WP7 is that there isn't really a need for it...
M$ is strict on what manufacturers can change on the UI, unlike Android (die Motoblur, DIE...!!!)
now, WP7 getting use of Ovi Maps in exchange for Bing integrated search would make sense...
on another note, yahoo is supposed to be partnered w/ Nokia for mail service...
and yahoo's search engine is now powered by Bing (copied from Google supposedly)...
we are going to come up w/ so many theories this week....
M$ is strict on what manufacturers can change on the UI, unlike Android (die Motoblur, DIE...!!!)
now, WP7 getting use of Ovi Maps in exchange for Bing integrated search would make sense...
on another note, yahoo is supposed to be partnered w/ Nokia for mail service...
and yahoo's search engine is now powered by Bing (copied from Google supposedly)...
we are going to come up w/ so many theories this week....
rewardsboy 93
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Thank god this will finally kill off S60 development and Nokia will be forced to either use WP7 or Android on their phones.
/sarcasm.
/sarcasm.
Well, it now looks like at least one of the rumors, reported on The Business Insider site, are true.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/05/us-nokia-management-idUSTRE71419S20110205
A swath of executives, are getting sacked. Direct quote from Reuters:
"...Citing company sources, German weekly Wirtschaftswoche reported on Saturday that Mary T. McDowell, the executive in charge of Nokia's mobile phones unit, may have to leave the company along with Niklas Savander, the manager of the markets unit.
Chief Development Officer Kai Oistamo may have to go, too, as may Tero Ojanpera, the manager responsible for services and mobile solutions, the weekly reported."
I wonder if the other rumor at TBI, about splitting Nokia into a hardware division and a software division turns out to be true as well.
BTW, Niklas Savander was the guy who was interviewed by Engadget who said that Nokia isn't interested in tablets. So much for that.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/05/us-nokia-management-idUSTRE71419S20110205
A swath of executives, are getting sacked. Direct quote from Reuters:
"...Citing company sources, German weekly Wirtschaftswoche reported on Saturday that Mary T. McDowell, the executive in charge of Nokia's mobile phones unit, may have to leave the company along with Niklas Savander, the manager of the markets unit.
Chief Development Officer Kai Oistamo may have to go, too, as may Tero Ojanpera, the manager responsible for services and mobile solutions, the weekly reported."
I wonder if the other rumor at TBI, about splitting Nokia into a hardware division and a software division turns out to be true as well.
BTW, Niklas Savander was the guy who was interviewed by Engadget who said that Nokia isn't interested in tablets. So much for that.