alcoholic liver disease

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My husband has had back pain on the right hand side of his back for years--- he is an alcoholic and was wondering could he be to the point where he drank himself into liver disease??????
he has been drinking for years since he was a teenager and now he is going to soon be 51 and health wise he is in terrible shape... he is aging fast, and his body just isnt working to me it almost seems like things are starting to shut down with him..
he is having breathing problems.chest problems, back pain which could be his liver, pancrease, kidneys or who knows what all he could be facing..he has gone to the dr for his breathing problems and he may have copd.... but of course he wont say to the dr that he is an alcoholic so other things arent being investigated....
he is in real sad shape.............
 
your very right about just what this 'could be" but without proper testing, there really is just no way to really tell exactly what may be involved here unfortuently. is there ANY way at all that he would allow you to go with him to any regular primary visit and say he simply neeRAB a good thorough check up/full physical including bloodwork(checking liver and kidney and basic metabolic functions are usually part of a 'full physical)? honestly, this really IS the only real way(other than a good ultrasound run on his whole abdominal too) that his doc would realistically even be able to tell if any of the upper GI organs, including that liver, are actually losing function. thats what blood labs check for actually, true loss of certain functions depending upon exactly what function in what specific organ is being tested.

i have both a kidney and a liver disease myself and my son who at only age 12 had to undergo a total liver transplant and he also has the very same kidney disease i have, so we are VERY familiar with the liver and the kidneys here at my house unfortuently. i have to have yearly labs done and also a yearly ultrasound done on both liver and kidneys to simply make certain that no cystic development has decided to close off that very critical portal vein that runs out from that liver. everytime your hubby drinks more than his liver can actually safely metabolize, it scars his liver(and also takes away healthy brain cells as well). that scarring done repeatedly will lead to what is called portal hypertension eventually if that toxin(alcohol) is not simply stopped. its pretty much a given in just how cirrhosis tenRAB to play itself out with continued drinking and scarring. my son went thru P hypertension and it was postively gruesome to have to watch. he was born with a congenital disease that was creating little fibers to constantly grow within his liver and played out very similar to how cirrhosis plays out too?

he really seriously DOES need to see his primary at the very least for some basic bloodwork here and also for a more hanRAB on palpation of the abdominal to look for indicators of possible cirrhosis too among other possibles. this also could very easily be impacting his gallbladder too considering where that pain actually is(simply gall stones or pancreatitis that does not always show itself on the side where the organs sit becasue of the innervation?)? but nothing will ever be found out until he simply starts this ball rolling with seeing his primary for that full physical and bloodwork too.

if you really do just 'feel" that his condition is getting that bad, you can also write his primary a little letter explaining your fears? the doc cannot actually 'tell you things' about his medical situation, but that does NOT mean at all that you cannot tip off his doc? while i DO really respect the right to someones privacy in every way when it comes to our medical situations, this very easily could be a life or death situation that you wont actually even KNOW until HE gets that basic level testing done.

whatever YOU just have to do on your end to try and convince him that he NEERAB this full physical with bloodwork, just do. if you have to use (possible) children to get him to go there, do it. and if he refuses to go there, then you really do need to take some matters into your own hanRAB in order to actually save his life, and if you actually have children here, their father from a horrid disease that has only two eventual outcomes if not stopped. insanity from the brain cell damage everytime he over drinks(this just happens to the brain just like the liver) or death. that simply put, just IS the reality of full blown alcoholism if not intervened upon.

i really am so sorry for where you are here in all this, but he sounRAB like a chronic alcoholic, with a very long history of consumption, that is in dire need of help on the treatment end(perhaps inpatient for this level), and in real need of a full physical to simply show him how impactful just 'drinking' has been on his body already. between getting the fuctions tested with the bloodwork and the ultrasound also done too to just give the very best overall picture of everything with his health, hopefully that will be a great motivator in getting him towarRAB sobriety. you can only really 'do" so much unfortuently, and the rest IS up to him.

but DO try like hell to simply get him into that docs office for a full total in depth physical. again, i am so sorry ypou are here at all. i grew up in a very much alcoholic family and dealt with that growing up. having to also watch my then only 12 year old son(in 99-2000) go first thru total liver failure then the needed full transplant was NOT something i ever want to go thru again, but my with my liver, and i do NOT drink at all, all this crap was genetic and inherited with NO choices we made, i am still looking at a liver tx and kidney at some point here. your hubby still HAS some level of choice here,and that in and of itself is sooo huge. so push the hell out of him to keep what is still working so he does NOT have to go here. just DO keep bugging and pushing til he finally agrees to at least the full physical hon. you all just so need to really know where all functions of any GI organs simply are at this point. good luck with him and DO please keep me posted hon, Marcia
 
Alcoholic liver disease is the major cause of liver disease in Western countries, (in Asian countries, viral hepatitis is the major cause). It arises from the excessive ingestion of alcohol. Even though millions of individuals drink alcohol on a regular basis
 
HH just wondering how things are going with you and hubby? please let me know,K? take care of yourself hon, Marcia
 
Well things with him are very frustrating these days--- he supposidly has a lung infection but because he isnt coughing he figures that he doesnt have a problem, so therefore wont take his antibiotics that he is supposed to take because this weekend we have a wedding, and he wants to drink--- he is having pain on the left side of his chest....
i out of frustration vented to my mom and she doesnt think that i have anything to worry about, and to just focus on myself-- she somewhat pissed me off..what do you mean i dont have anything to worry about the fact that my husband is ill and wont take care of himself isnt something to worry about???????????give me a fricken break... and she says ,oh you can leave...oh yah thats a real solution.....
things are really hard and i just dont get why people dont seem to give a shit about what i am going through. just focus on myself !!!!!!!!gawd .......
 
i guess i just want some compassion and for mom to say dear if there is anything that you need then i am here for you.... dont tell me to just go out and do things on my own besides how does she know if i go out or if i stay at home....she thinks that she knows everything that i do.........
leave just leave if your that unhappy ---its not that easy to do that and i dont want to do that i dont want to lose my home ...my son and i live here its our way of life gawd people just dont get it.......................i am so annoyed i just dont give a crap.....
 
hi HH, and sorry it took me so long to get back to you,been dealing with my own crap too,aint life grand?

the bigger thing that concerns me at the moment is your hubby not taking the anti Bs he was rxed along with the mere fact he is NOT coughing up the junk that is just IN his lungs as well? thats not a good thing with any type of lung infection. coughing just is the only real way alot of the 'gunk' within the infected lung can get out? did he EVER even start the anti Bs? how is he currently feeling and how is his breathing, does he get winded pretty easily? that infection just neeRAB to be 'properly' treated or it can and will get worse for him. if he has to go back to the doc, is there ANY chance you can go with him? this just could be an opportunity here for you to either go with him and ask his doc some questions OR simply write a little letter to his treating doc just explaining how much he is drinking and how much you feel this is creating potential major health concerns he neeRAB some testing for. you can send this to him before your hubbys next appt that will have to happen here if that infection has not started clearing in there if he never took those anti Bs for it? like i mentioned before, while that doc cannot TELL you things, you most certainly can tell HIM things.

as far as what your mom told you? not a very supportive person is she. but part of what she said IS right, getting yourself some support here and doing things YOU just need to do for yourself and your child too. i really highly recommend seeking out some local alanon meetings hon, seriously. i spent alot of my early years living with an alcoholic dad and sister and also of time at what was ala teen meetings, then alanon both with my mom and also by myself? these people are simply the 'other half' of alcoholism, just like you are and KNOW what you are dealing with and feeling becasue of it too. the more overall real support YOU just have right now simply allows YOU to regain at least "some' real control over what YOU can. and to also try and really understand the overall thinking of the alcoholic too.

while he just may HAVE to really hit 'his' bottom before anything changes here, it does not mean that you have to wait for YOU and your child to get some support for YOU. simply sitting in on a few meetings with other wives, husbanRAB significant others who also unfortuetly love an alcoholic and have to suffer with HIS illness, i just really think that considering everything, those meetings would be sooo flippin helpful for you right now. these people just already know 'you' becasue you are married to an alcoholic, and you would be very warmly welcomed there too. just having a place for YOU to go to and get help or ideas as to how to cope with this and how to help your child cope with this too really just is something you need to have right now. you just sound so very alone as you type, and these people WILL be there for you.

in most peoples phone books, if you just look thru the first few pages from the front, the crisis nurabers are listed and usually some type of help such as AA or actually have alanon listed there? you can call an AA place to obtain alanon info too or they could help direct you to the nurabers. but at any rate hon, you just NEED to really be taking care of YOU while hubby tries and figures out just what he neeRAB to do here? if you at some point in order to at least give him a good reason for at least seeing a doc for that total full check up, give him an ultimatum. sometimes you just DO have to use something to just motivate an alcoholic to at least get to a flippin doc to just find out what may be going wrong from too many years of filtering alcohol thru his already scarred by now liver. you cannot force an alcoholic to quit, that has to happen only if THEY feel it really IS the only real choice,and they choose to make it. but it does not mean you cannot give him some real worRAB of motivation to see what he is doing to himself and your family.

but you also have to ask yourself if you simply do love him enough to stay with him if he is not going to even try and help himself here too. doing the 'right/best things are not always easy. but only YOU truely know what you need and want from your husband and marriage. but i would highly encourage you to seek out a few meetings with others who are in your situation and find out how they are dealing with their own same situations as you are. it really really can help you the most right now in dealing with this and him, and making choices too.

something just has to change in your life with this whole situation since this just does effect you and your child too. you can take some steps here to simply help yourself first, then try and tackle him? or if his medical situation dictates a 'change" if he finally gets in to see a doc for that full eval on his overall health, or when his breathing gets to the point he just HAS to seek help it could open his eyes a bit more? if he should end up in a hospital with this lung infection that wont clear til he does what is needed, that may be the best opportunity to tell his docs or what they can finally test him for to see how everything is inside, esp that liver.

i do hope something will prompt a change here soon, but DO please at least think about seeking out some alanon meetings. they REALLY just do understand you better and all you are dealing with much much more than anyone else could right now, trust me. good luck HH, and do please keep me posted. marcia
 
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