djfkldsfss
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Cecil this thread is about dragging knees I think your after the "I love it when" thread in the kitchen sink.
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Your First Time draggin knee
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shaman sun
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I remember the first time I dragged knee (at my 3rd Track day in 2003. The minute my puck touched the pavement, I instictively pulled it up, and said, why the hell did I do that. I was a bit scared, then realized, next time keep it down...Dumbass. The next few laps I started touching on both sides consecutively. Daym i felt like I've achieved the holy grail of motorcycling at that moment.
superjew812
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First time dragging my knee was on a TL1000R in turn 2 on the Hochenheim short course. Scared the crap out of me because I didn't expect it to feel that way but it was awesome! After awhile I stopped doing it so I didn't have to buy pucks constantly. Thank goodness for clucky-pucks!
Dexter Morgan
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As with most replies, touching the slider for the first time can provide a bit of a fright but then you get used to it and use the slider as a reference to the lean angle.
The first CSS I had my toes touching the ground (just like in Stimacsays photo) and the instructor told me to move my foot back on the peg otherwise it would be a very expensive track day (in other words a new pair of boots). I now ride with the ball of my foot on the pegs but have still scraped the boot on one particular corner so I moved my foot so it was wedged between the peg and the bikes frame. I should also add that the friends who i was playing with refused to even try and keep up with me on this particular corner.
The ball of the foot on the peg will also allow you to lock into the tank better and thus contribute to less hand pressure on the bars.
Also, if you have a look at pics in bike mags where the tester has his knee down on a roundabout you will notice that the bike is uprightish and the rider has everything but ... hanging off the seat. Looks impressive but is mostly wank.
The first CSS I had my toes touching the ground (just like in Stimacsays photo) and the instructor told me to move my foot back on the peg otherwise it would be a very expensive track day (in other words a new pair of boots). I now ride with the ball of my foot on the pegs but have still scraped the boot on one particular corner so I moved my foot so it was wedged between the peg and the bikes frame. I should also add that the friends who i was playing with refused to even try and keep up with me on this particular corner.
The ball of the foot on the peg will also allow you to lock into the tank better and thus contribute to less hand pressure on the bars.
Also, if you have a look at pics in bike mags where the tester has his knee down on a roundabout you will notice that the bike is uprightish and the rider has everything but ... hanging off the seat. Looks impressive but is mostly wank.
First time was at Summit Point, T1 and T10. You think youre going super fast til someone passes you on one wheel waving their hand. Once you get past the initial awe, I will let it touch down to learn to hold that angle for that speed in that turn. You can drag it on purpose, but it only slows you down. I try to hover above the pavement once I learn where the limit is.
smashlee_1014
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Bee,
I'm with Wilson and Ted on this. You shouldn't even be trying to get a knee down on public streets. That's an accident waiting to happen. Save knee-dragging for the track. Once you're on the track, focus on body position, speed, and race line rather than getting your knee down. It will happen all on its own when you're doing things right. If you try too hard to get a knee down before you've mastered correct body position and throttle control, you're flirting with a high-side.
Btw, dragging your knee is not about maximizing lean angle. In fact, it's about the opposite. By getting off the bike, you lower your center of gravity while keeping the bike more upright. This allows you to get on the gas harder and sooner than if you were on top of the bike and leaned over more. Check out the pic below, (Turn 4 at Thunderbolt, the chicane): Look how low my body is. If instead of hangin' off, I was seated on top of the bike, with my center of gravity much higher, I'd be carrying much more centrifical force into the corner, and I'd have to lean much more in order to counteract that increased centrifical force if I wanted to carry the same speed. And since I'm already close to maximum safe lean angle, that wouldn't be possible. Lean angle being constant, if you lower your center of gravity, you reduce outward force pushing you off the line, and can corner faster for any given lean angle. Conversely, for any given corner speed, reduce your center of gravity, and you can reduce lean angle. Either way, you're cornering faster. It's all physics.
Go to the track and focus on basics. It'll come to you when you're ready.
Elton
I'm with Wilson and Ted on this. You shouldn't even be trying to get a knee down on public streets. That's an accident waiting to happen. Save knee-dragging for the track. Once you're on the track, focus on body position, speed, and race line rather than getting your knee down. It will happen all on its own when you're doing things right. If you try too hard to get a knee down before you've mastered correct body position and throttle control, you're flirting with a high-side.
Btw, dragging your knee is not about maximizing lean angle. In fact, it's about the opposite. By getting off the bike, you lower your center of gravity while keeping the bike more upright. This allows you to get on the gas harder and sooner than if you were on top of the bike and leaned over more. Check out the pic below, (Turn 4 at Thunderbolt, the chicane): Look how low my body is. If instead of hangin' off, I was seated on top of the bike, with my center of gravity much higher, I'd be carrying much more centrifical force into the corner, and I'd have to lean much more in order to counteract that increased centrifical force if I wanted to carry the same speed. And since I'm already close to maximum safe lean angle, that wouldn't be possible. Lean angle being constant, if you lower your center of gravity, you reduce outward force pushing you off the line, and can corner faster for any given lean angle. Conversely, for any given corner speed, reduce your center of gravity, and you can reduce lean angle. Either way, you're cornering faster. It's all physics.
Go to the track and focus on basics. It'll come to you when you're ready.
Elton
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Jeazzass Elton! I dont think I have ever had my 1098 cranked over that far. As TW would say, Noice.
Just so we all understand. 12EE, or a 48 EU boot, you dont have a lot of choices where to put it. After years of MX, if you dont stand on the balls of your feet, your ging to break them. I saw the Photog there, and posed for the photo with my toe down.
When Im at full lean, my wide foot has no where to go. Time for some Speedy moto's?
Sorry to say, I just dont push that hard any more. Low-side's cost more than boots. Damn it sucks to get old. I think oz could tell us how much hi-side's cost?
When Im at full lean, my wide foot has no where to go. Time for some Speedy moto's?
Sorry to say, I just dont push that hard any more. Low-side's cost more than boots. Damn it sucks to get old. I think oz could tell us how much hi-side's cost?