Your entire future is based around a letter...

Somebody who's able to think and assess each situation.
Somebody who knows what to do in an emergency, even if it's not in the book.
 
i agree, but i think, generally speaking, that a person who can get the high grade would be able to do those things better and/or faster
 
That's only correct to a certain degree. Some people's book knowledge is fully made up of short term memories, but a lot of people actually learn the material, gaining an understanding of it; thus, they increase their intellect. That is a measure of how smart a person is.
So people with formal educations don't know what they're doing? I think that's a bit of a stretch, and probably a bit of a rationalization.
So how would someone with a higher education lack these things? I'm not saying that all people with college degrees are geniuses in every field, I just fail to see the logic behind your statements.

Wouldn't someone with a history of being a 'quick study' or excelling in academia be able to think and assess a situation? Couldn
 
Nope, you're wrong. All that matters is how much money you have. Someone can be dumb as shit, get shit grades, have a shit "letter"... but if they've got money, they can go wherever they want and do whatever they want. Simple as that, it's all about the Benjamins.

Case in point: You can be a C-student and, with the right amount of money and friends with money, you can even become president of the United States! ;)
 
Thats pretty much true. They dont grade you on if you actually "learned" what they had to teach. They only grade you on if you memorized it.

Its quite annoying. I learn how to do the subject, dont do my homework, and I fail bc Im lazy. Yet I still know the material better than the rest of my class. *sigh*

So yeah, the system sucks.
 
I do agree that the system we call education does suck. And, I also agree that life is based on stupid letters (degrees, diplomas). However, it all depends on the situation or emergency and the person's training that they will "know what they are doing" given the situation. For instance, on a ship they will train the hell out of you on firing 50 cals, 25MM, and damage control to save the ship in battle. More then often, the ones you call the "uneducated" will excel and react more efficiently then the ones who are educated. I classify "uneducated" as having a diploma or GED, and haven't went to college yet, myself included. And, the educated ones as the wonderful officers fresh from officer candidate school or the Naval Academy. And, think they are GOD because they got a degree. Over half of the ship's enlisted crew doesn't have college and/or is working on it we just don't have the time for it in between drills, and just plain active duty. More often then not, the educated officers who are required to take 4 years in their particular profession before joining the fleet, are some of the slowest, and stupidest people that I know. They come aboard thinking that they know more then me, when I have 5+ years of just doing my job in high stress situations, and they can just stroll in and do my job. WRONG. I make them look like morons, because they get all cocky. Not all officers are like that, but the majority of them are and alot of the enlisted side would back me up on that one. SO, it just depends on how the person adapts to the situations and reacts. Alot of people will learn WAY MORE by doing hands on training, rather then sitting on their ass in the class room reading about it, and "memorizing it". Myself included. SO, we uneducated ones will be the ones to save the ship in battle, as the educated ones tend to be slower, cocky, and think they know everything about anything because they are an officer, and can tell my chief with 20+ years of expierience and no college that he can't do his job.
 
I just had this discussion with my friends not three days ago. I came to the conclusion that the main reason you go to college and try to do good, is it shows people you are motivated and interested in the area you are learning.

I am sure they could train people to be doctors in less than 8 years but they don't want to. They want to make sure you are committed to being a doctor otherwise everybody would want to be one. Then we would have more bad doctors to weed out of the system.

Without some kind of standardization everybody could just try what ever they wanted. Then maybe you would be good or maybe not. But with school at least you have a base to start.

A good example is my major, which is computer science. They don't teach me how to write in every language, they don't teach me how to do everything in one language. But I leave with the ability to learn these things easily. So when I do get hired I know how to learn the new things that are specific to what that job requires.

Unforgivien, I am sorry about your situation. My best friend is also in that similar situation. I say, just try to get something on paper for people to see. They have many tests out there that have no requirements to take. Yes they cost a lot of money, but if you
 
That's only true if you're lazy. People learn by memorizing what they're taught. Yes, it is true that some people only retain that information long enough to pass a test, but I attribute that to laziness. The point is, you have to be able to quantify knowledge in some way, and formal testing is the only perceivable way to do that. Is it fair to everyone? Of course not, but you're going to be in for a rude awakening if you expect life to be fair in any way.

Well, that's hardly a problem with the education system. You've admitted yourself that you're lazy; in life you only get back what you put in; put in a little and you'll only get a little back, put in a lot of effort and you will more than likely get more back. Nobody is going to just hand you a good job, so like it or not, you have to do the whole formal education thing if you ever plan on having a career.

That is a great example. I'm a CS graduate myself, so I can speak from experience. Any idiot can learn the syntax of a language, and most people could probably even be taught in a few weeks. However, to be a programmer you need to know more than just syntax; you need to understand advanced math and logic, and be able to apply those things as a means of solving problems. That entails more than a simple knowledge obtained by rote; you have to know what you're doing. Most professional jobs are like this as well.
 
Public school is definitely not for everyone. It teaches through a method of reading and writing, and I was found to be someone who learns better through visuals and audio due to my autism or whatever. Anyway, my advice is this. Just try and get through high school the best you can. It's not easy for everyone...I personally remember it being torture(I only did well when I had a tutor...I was too depressed to see why it would matter if I did the work if a teacher had 20-something other students to try and entertain him) and you may not pass with flying colors, but try to get some non-traditional learning afterwards. Maybe an art school or tech school...something with a hands-on environment, you know? Working outside is cool, but you can only do that shit for so long...leave it to the people without a fucking clue to stay doing that work forever. You deserve better. You're smarter than that Funfy.(:tongue: )

Now if only I could take my own advice...
 
Life is just a popularity contest. Dont worry, all you lazy bums that are... well, lazy, now, are going to do very well when it comes down to college, because you know how not to stress out! While the ones that did so well in highschool, are going to party their whole freshman year, and drop out to work at Fingerhut...
 
It's superficial but it's gotta be done. You jump through hoops for twelve years and then in college you can pursue what you really want to do. Which is probably jump through hoops and then die old and retarded.
 
Why work for someone else anyway? I'm at university at the moment, not my first choice cos my grades weren't good enough. I'm studying cos i want a good job for a while, but not a career. For a career i want to be self-employed. I already work a market stall in my students' union every wednesday (initial input
 
Quicker/better learners are easier to train, solve problems more quickly and easily, and can operate responsibly without constant supervision. Assuming they made it through college, I doubt they're "lazy sons of bitches", I've had to work my ass off for my borderline shitty grades in college but I'm doing okay so far.

To go into pity-party mode and blame the system for your problems is to deny any sort of personal responsibility. Instead of blaming the system, why not try to give some thought as to why the system works the way it does, and why the system WORKS, period. It's not always fair, but it's obviously suiting someone's best interests...

Unfortunately, that's usually just those in power, it benefits the status quo, and I have my own issues with authority, but some of us do go to school and work our asses off.
 
I think Jung has sufficiently melted all of you flame baits. It's not the system's fault that you're a fuck up and can't get a good job, its because you didn't try and thus, get nothing back.

Now, if someone is a slow learner but tries in school, only receiving minimal marks, this person will still get farther than a slow learner who doesn't try worth a damn and ends up being a bum.

And don't throw anymore stuff about Bush becoming president out there. Despite his grades...the only reason he got there was because he tried(making C's, not the classic F). Bush Senior may have aided him through school but he at least tried, unlike some of those assholes who think they can just drop out of high school and become a musician.
 
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