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Guinastasia
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I'd start a thread against Dio, but quite frankly, I don't feel like searching out all those threads where "his experience = fact"
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You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !
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Vinyl Turnip
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And fuck the cite shit. If you can't cite what you think and I can't cite what I think, then its all just our fucking opinions isnt it? And with Dio on your side that should give anyone pause.
Dio isn't "on my side," I'm just capable of separating his legitimate points from his idiotic ones.
If the guy took the camera it's because he's a fucking idiot thief, not some boy scout thrown into kleptomanic delirium by the demon marihuana.
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Diogenes the Cynic
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Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving.Would you let your kids in the car of a driver who was stoned?
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Mr. Excellent
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A criminals a criminal.
Oh, come on. Comparing a man who smokes a joint in the privacy of his own home to a thief is absurd. If my neighbor blazes up, that's his call - it doesn't harm me at all. If he steals from me, I'm most certainly harmed.
Doesn't matter. Your experience is apparently the only one that counts. As usual.Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn't make you drive into trees. Hasn't anyone else here ever smoked pot?
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MTCicero
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Cite?
This is anecdotal evidence (like most of the material Diogenes has previously posted in this thread), admittedly, but I have a friend who's a major league pothead (he's a professional - well, dinner theatre - actor, as well; I'm not sure if that has any bearing on his potheadedness); I mean, the guy's so in love with pot, he really should marry it (or at least get a room for the both of them). Anyway, the only thing the guy's ever stolen, high or not, is music over the internet. The guy's simply not a thief IRL, and no amount of marijuana (and, trust me, the guy smokes like his life depends on it) has made him suddenly turn into a kleptomaniac.
On this one, I'm happy to say, Dio is quite right.
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Enderw24
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And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is... what?
Two? Well crap man. I can't beat that. I'm just one person.
I guess I'll have to concede.
Oh, by the way, based upon my personal experiences of my own body, 100% of the human population has penises. Just thought I'd let you know that the biology books are wrong.
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ivan astikov
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when the major scientific concensus is that it absolutely does.
Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one.
U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (DOT HS 808 078), Final Report, November 1993:"This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small."
Okay, that was from '93, but I can't see a lot changing between then and now.
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PlainJain
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I AM the evidence.
It's a tribute to his continued and sophisticated trollery.I'd start a thread against Dio, but quite frankly, I don't feel like searching out all those threads where "his experience = fact"
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Diogenes the Cynic
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I guess that's pretty fair except I would not try to argue that it makes driving safer. I don't think the data is strong enough to really conclude that. I'm satisfied with just saying it doesn't statistically increase the risk of accidents.So, to recap, when you said:No. I accept that it may have "impaired" performance in the maze task (it wouldn't have impaired ME, but that's just me).
I do not agree that the "impairment" (if it can even be called that. I'd just call it inexperience with altered cogntition) is significant enough to make driving dangerous.
What you meant was:Yes, [marijuana] affects cognition, but that's not the same as impairing it. Since it does not impair the ability to perform tasks, I don't see how it can be said to impair cognition. I would argue that it enhances cognition.
"Sometimes marijuana does impair cognition. Also, marijuana does impair the ability to perform tasks. However, the degree of impairment is not enough to make driving dangerous. In fact, I would argue it makes it safer."
Is that a fair statement?
You seem to be under the misapprehension that I'm talking about the results of the driving test. I'm not. I'm taking issue with your claim that marijuana does not affect one's cognitive skills. Are you now saying that marijuana does affect one's cognition?They're being more careful. Any change in cognition is fully compensated for, ergo, no meaningful "impairment" in the actual ability to perform the task.
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ivan astikov
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And right near the bottom of my link.
CANBERRA TIMES 21 October 1998 p4 The largest study ever done linking road accidents with drugs and alcohol has found drivers with cannabis in their blood were no more at risk than those who were drug-free. In fact, the findings by a pharmacology team from the University of Adelaide and Transport SA showed drivers who had smoked marijuana were marginally less likely to have an accident than those who were drug-free.
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MTCicero
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I just love all the potheads getting all hot and bothered here.
"All the potheads getting all hot and bothered"?
Really?
Because I see only one in this thread reacting as you say.
And speaking of getting all hot and bothered, you seem to be a little warm under the collar yourself.
Actually, upon further reflection, it's you whose panties seem to be twisted up tighter than those of Dio.
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Shot From Guns
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Read it and weep, baby. Read it and weep for your wrongness on this one.
"This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small."
You realize that even the chunk you cited proves my point, right?
1.) "This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose." There is impairment.
2.) "The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road" It manifests in at least one measurable and demonstrable way.
3.) "Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate, where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort." The fact that they're compensating for the effects doesn't mean it doesn't exist; in fact, it proves it, for you can't compensate for a nonexistent effect.
You will note that I have not stated that smoking pot will make you a bad or a dangerous driver; I've simply asserted that it can and does have an effect on your ability to drive.
You fucking retard.
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JThunder
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Not at all? No impairment whatsoever?Sure. Studies show that pot does not impair driving.
Cite, please?
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ivan astikov
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Driving once while under the influence of pot and coming back unscathed might be deemed lucky, so how many times would it have to be done to satisfy those in doubt?
And you are welcome to doubt it. Meanwhile you have 2 - yes, 2! - people telling you from their own experience that driving under the influence of pot does not inhibit driving ability in any significant manner, and your counter-experience is... what?
Here's a third person saying "Yes"... and "No".
I have plenty of past experience with cannabis and with driving, and I never had an accident while driving stoned.
On the other hand, I also know that, in my experience, smoking weed certainly did impair my ability to drive a car. I know this because: 1) I moderated my intake prior to hitting the road because I knew otherwise I would have problems, and 2) once on the road, I drove with a hyper-vigilance because I knew I had to compensate for my stonedness. I also knew these two precautions were necessary because, 3) there have been many times when I was simply too fried to even think about getting behind the wheel. Good times....
In my experience, though, driving with a hangover is much more problematic than either having a couple drinks or a couple puffs and then hitting the road. You get the hazy dissociation from reality like when you're drunk, but no "feel good" chemicals racing around your brain to perk you up and help you focus on the task at hand.
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MsWhatsit
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Cigarettes totally cause cancer, but pot doesn't make you drive into trees. Hasn't anyone else here ever smoked pot?
Cigarettes totally do not cause cancer. I smoked cigarettes a couple of times when I was in college. And I don't have cancer.
That's right, I AM the evidence.
Can "The Evidence" be my rapper name? I call dibs.
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Club 33
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I'm not yet convinced that this stoner stole anything, at least not by what has been posted so far. Rather, I see someone being accused primarily because they smoke pot and found the missing camera.
It would sure be nice if the person that started the fucking thread paid attention to it.
It would sure be nice if the person that started the fucking thread paid attention to it.
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Diogenes the Cynic
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No, idiot, I was saying that the "I am the evidence" line was a joke.From post 231:It was a joke, moron.So we are on equal footing there. Next, how is that a joke? You've been arguing for pages that "actual empirical data shows that driving stoned does not increase the risk for accidents." Now referencing the sentence, "The actual empirical data shows that driving stoned does not increase the risk for accidents", you claim it was a joke. If that's true your entire position here is a joke. That's called trolling. Moron.All you've done is call people names...