You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !

IIRC Cartooniverse is a photographer. He was probably doing a workshop in an event space in a camera store.


After the camera, property of the store and on display went missing they looked. It was pointed out that they could check the security camera. Stoner thief realized he wasn't going to get away with it promptly 'found' it before the video was checked.
 
MTCicero said:
True, it doesn't affect you in the same exact way that alcohol does, but pot certainly does affect one's cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills.
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Diogenes the Cynic said:
No it doesn't.
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I'll also have to go with "self-serving pothead twaddle". There's a goodly amount of research that's been done on the question of pot use and cognitive impairment, and it does not support your anecdote-based claim.

And if you truly wouldn't care if your doctor was stoned, you're an idiot. Having a family doctor high on pot wouldn't pose as immediate a threat as being operated on by a stoned brain surgeon, but some dire things could happen if your doc took a flawed history under the influence, ordered inappropriate tests and prescribed you the wrong drugs.

State medical boards do not grant exemption from sanctions if one's drug of abuse is marijuana, nor should they.
 
Shot From Guns said:
Smoking pot has nothing to do with somebody's likeliness to steal shit. This particular pothead happens to be a fucking loser.
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I call BS on this one.

Being high compromises your mental function. This dude was high. It certainly doesnt seem to be much a stretch to me that a high person might be more likely than a sober/not high person to use the five finger discount if an easy opportunity arose.

Hell, isnt that almost the definition of being drunk/high? Doing minor stupid shit you'd almost never do sober?
 
But, to be clear, nobody ever actually looked at the surveillance video?

Was the big trash can, by chance, under the spot on the wall where the camera was suction-cupped?
 
zut said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Yes, it affects cognition, but that's not the same as impairing it. Since it does not impair the ability to perform tasks, I don't see how it can be said to impair cognition. I would argue that it enhances cognition.
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Perhaps you have forgotten this post:
mhendo said:
In conclusion, the regular marijuana users in our study showed cognitive impairment in the maze task and in the WCST on 17mg THC... This evidence is compatible with previous studies showing impaired cognitive function in regular users of marijuana.

Weinstein et al, "A Study Investigating the Acute Dose-response Effects of 13 Mg and 17 Mg Δ 9- Tetrahydrocannabinol on Cognitive-motor Skills, Subjective and Autonomic Measures in Regular Users of Marijuana," Journal of Psychopharmacology, Vol. 22 Issue 4, June 2008, 441-451.
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A quick read through the conclusions and/or the abstracts of a few other papers suggests that, while marijuana (or, to be more precise, the THC in marijuana) can and does impair cognitive and motor skills in most users, there are some users who show little or no effect from using the drug. This is generally explained by a combination of genetic predisposition (i.e., some people seem to have a sort of natural resistance to the effects) and accumulated tolerance (i.e., some people who smoke a lot can build up their tolerance for it, and avoid some of the worst effects).

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But a blanket statement that it doesn't impair cognitive or motor function is simply unsupported by the recent medical literature.
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Which you actually replied to:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment.

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I still maintain that whatever imparment occurs is still pretty negligable even for those more susceptable to it, and anyone who's ever been a stoner or around stoners knows that it's not even close to the same kind of impairment as being drunk.
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Not sure I see your point here. If you think you see a contradiction then I retract the implication that I recognize any impairment. If it does not impair the ability to perform a task, then I don't se how it can be called an impairment at all, because what else does that word mean?
 
No, marijuana does not lower inhibitions the way alcohol does, or make people more likely to steal. That's complete horseshit.
 
Lazz said:
Yeah I'm having trouble following what happened too. So, the people owning the camera saw through the surveillance cams that stoner-guy did it, but since he brought it back, they decided to play it like he hadn't stole it to avoid to embarass him (maybe?)?
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And me makes three. If Cartooniverse has seen video footage of aforementioned junkie-toerag's thieving exploits, he's entitled to his rant.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
No it doesn't.
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Oh, please. Don't do this again. You make a statement which is true in some hyperbolic sense, but then when called on you draw a fjord in the sand and refuse to give an inch. The TRUTH is that one might be able to function pretty well after smoking pot. BUt it depends both on the quality and quantity. I haven't smoked pot for years and years, but I know damn well that it can bake your brain. I remember sitting on a couch trying hard to recollect the steps necessary to stand up.

Also, a lot of my friends liked to smoke pot when we skied. But I hated it. I was really into skiing and pushing myself in some gnarly areas
 
Diogenes, can you shut the fuck up already?

Our trusted friend marijuana can, and often does, effect cognitive abilities. Yes, the extent to which varies from person to person, but this hijack is annoying and stupid. Please stop bringing the Weed-Smokers Revolution into threads unnecessarily. Shit, I drink more than most people, don't try to hide it, and work it into more threads than necessary, but I realize when it is appropriate to be drunk and when it isn't.

Don't show up to important shit high and/or drunk, and then wonder why people think you're an asshole who isn't serious. It's not more complicated than that.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Crotalus said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Anecodtes are not evidence.
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You are the evidence. We get that.
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That was a joke. So was the reference to Otto the bus driver. I'm not a drooling moron.
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I'm unconvinced. In this case, you truly are the evidence.

And as to your question in post 269, a couple of things. The ability to drive was not the subject of your initial stupid statement in this endless Dio-centric thread. In response to MTCicero posting "but pot certainly does affect one's cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills.", you said "No it doesn't." Yes it does. The whole driving thing has been an exercise in moving goal posts that has nothing to do with your initial statement. And if part of the population of pot smokers elects to forgo driving because they sense that they are impaired, while drunks don't sense that, it means that the accident statistics don't prove that pot doesn't affect the ability to drive, they prove that pot doesn't affect the accident statistics. A similar thing could be said about being dead. It definitely affects the ability to drive, but it has a minimal impact on accident rates.
 
Personally, I think the biggest smoking gun (aside from surveillance footage, of course) is that the pothead found the camera in a highly improbable place. No one throws away an expensive camera.
 
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