You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !

Oh, and the pot thing? His wife has M.S. and uses it to control her exacerbations. I'm down with that 100%. But his smoking up has nothing to do with his health, he vomited forth his entire life story on Saturday night. No doubt I'd have learned if he smoked for medicinal reasons. No. He actually said, " She gets it and we smoke. "

So, he gets no kind of pass for medicinal needs.
 
minor7flat5 said:
I still want to know what was actually seen on the surveillance tapes.

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Someone lost motor skills because they smoked a doobie. This loss caused them to accidental put a camera in a trash can which was then perceived as theft. Poor bastard
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Stoned people cause slightly fewer accidents than people on no drugs at all. They aren't just safer than drunks, they're marginally safer than people who aren't on anything.
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That doesn't really jibe with your claim in post #17 that marijuana has no effect on one's cognitive skills or gross and fine motor skills. Please to explain?
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Stoned people cause slightly fewer accidents than people on no drugs at all. They aren't just safer than drunks, they're marginally safer than people who aren't on anything.
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Again, that's the result of selection. It isn't that smoking any amount of pot makes the average person a better driver - it is that smoking a small amount makes the average person compensate (or even over-compensate), and smoking a larger amount makes the average person decide not to drive. It's the effect of stoner paranoia.

Anecdotally, when I was a reckless and stupid teen, I'd occasionally drive when slightly stoned. I used to hate it, exactly because of this - I was so goddam paranoid I'd screw up because I was stoned, I'd drive like my granny, hating it all the while.

Take any stoned person and *make them drive* no matter how stoned they are, and those who are more than moderately stoned would no longer be able to compensate for their undoubted impairment and you'd get more accidents - but in real life, such people are far more likely to choose not to drive.
 
What if you're stoned, tired, and talking to your buddy on a cellphone about how wasted you are, even if he's in the car with you, because, like, calling a guy who's only three feet away is LIKE SO FUCKING FUNNY, MAAAANNNNN?
 
People who are baked drive BETTER:
Although cannabis intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting. In driving simulator tests, this impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations.

Nevertheless, this impairment does not appear to play a significant role in on-road traffic accidents. A 2002 review of seven separate studies involving 7,934 drivers reported, “Crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes.” This result is likely because subject under the influence of marijuana are aware of their impairment and compensate for it accordingly, such as by slowing down and by focusing their attention when they know a response will be required. This reaction is just the opposite of that exhibited by drivers under the influence of alcohol, who tend to drive in a more risky manner proportional to their intoxication.
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Summary: the impairment is not significant enough to affect driving skills, and people who are stoned actually drive more slowly and cautiously.

I drove stoned a billion times. Never hit one school bus.
 
MsWhatsit said:
Hi, I'm just checking in to say that every time I think about, "I AM the evidence," it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Yeah, I was totally high last night and I came up with a new cop buddy show called Jersey Dope.

It would star Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino and Diogenes "The Evidence" the Cynic. The Situation would walk around shirtless giving everyone chlamydia, and the whole show could be action-oriented, because they would never have to go to trial. At the end, Diogenes would just put on his sunglasses and say "I AM The Evidence...", and the perp would go straight to jail. Then we fade to black and cue the music. But not that song from The Who. I can't afford the rights to that. Something more appropriate. Calliope music or something.

I'm totally shopping it around.
 
Why did you allow him to attend the second day if he was baked when you came to pick him up?
 
He'd signed a liability waiver and is an adult. He wants to be in a fog instead of at the top of his game and miss learning stuff? Not my problem. I'm his instructor not his daddy.
 
I don't drive, I don't use drugs, I don't drink. Others do these three things, which means I've ridden as a passenger with drivers who have been drinking and have been smoking pot.

As a nervous, non-driving passenger, I consider a stoned person a much better driver than a drunk one, if only because they are so much more cautious. The stoned person is usually even going to be a better driver than someone on a fucking cell phone.

The lead seems to have been buried - the camera was held up with a suction cup? Those stupid things have an alarming tendency to release on their own. I don't trust them.
 
Do you actually have proof that he stole the camera, or is that just an assumption you made because he smokes pot?

Also, what's wrong with showing up to a workshop baked? He's paying for the workshop, he's not your employee and it doesn't affect cognitive abilities anyway, so why do you care?

It sounds like you're profiling pot smokers.
 
Dante said:
MsWhatsit said:
Hi, I'm just checking in to say that every time I think about, "I AM the evidence," it sends me into fresh gales of giggles. This is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Yeah, I was totally high last night and I came up with a new cop buddy show called Jersey Dope.

It would star Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino and Diogenes "The Evidence" the Cynic. The Situation would walk around shirtless giving everyone chlamydia, and the whole show could be action-oriented, because they would never have to go to trial. At the end, Diogenes would just put on his sunglasses and say "I AM The Evidence...", and the perp would go straight to jail. Then we fade to black and cue the music. But not that song from The Who. I can't afford the rights to that. Something more appropriate. Calliope music or something.

I'm totally shopping it around.
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For the win.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment. My friends would often comment on it a lot that I seemed more straight when I was stoned than when I wasn't (I'm naturally kind of a space case. Pot actually seemed to clear me up and help me concentrate).
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Wait... Now you're saying you knew it caused impairment? Why did you adamantly argue that it didn't if you knew it did?
 
Gawd what a bunch of fuckheading retard pot heads.

You know who's safest? The pothead that hasnt smoked AND is being extra careful because its just the right fucking thing to do?

But I guess you fucking potheads are only careful when your stoned, cause otherwise you are on your cellphone calling your brother to check out the sports news.

You know what? When I've had a few, I am extra careful too because I realize I am impaired. But I aint fucking stupid enough to claim I am actually safer slightly buzzed. Maybe safer than the average retarded pothead, texters, cell phone users, and general morons. But safer than I would be if I was sober?

Jesus Fucking Christ.
 
storyteller0910 said:
Because I am psychic, I am going to make a fearless guess: you have not actually read the Chesher and Longo text you cited, right? Just the quotes cherry-picked from the article by a organization with an agenda?
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As I stated previously, it's Diogenes's own version of magical thinking.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Stoned people cause slightly fewer accidents than people on no drugs at all. They aren't just safer than drunks, they're marginally safer than people who aren't on anything.
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Predictively we want our safest drivers in charge of shuttling kids. Should we insist then that school bus drivers toke up before starting their route?
 
I'm profiling thieves. The pot smoking was a sidebar issue to me. Fuck it, let him show up baked. But surveillance cameras? They really don't lie, now do they ?

Asshole stole it then proudly "found it" at the bottom of the garbage can.

As for cognitive abilities, that's a debate for another thread. I don't care if he can or cannot concentrate and if he falls and gets hurt, he signed off on that already. But nobody is forced to attend these, these are attended by people intensely interested in LEARNING this stuff.

He wasted his time, till he stole. Then he wasted OUR time, and wrecked the day.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
No it doesn't.
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That's the best you got? Is it supposed to be a cogent counter-argument? On The Straight Dope? Fighting ignorance and all that?

Well... ummm...uh... Does too!

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And... as a teacher with an inordinate number of stoners, I'd like to point out that they're a lot funnier than the hangover cases.
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And... I don't want to burst any bubbles, but I've heard of passing a pain-in-the-ass doper just so that you don't have to put up with him again next semester...
 
If they're pains in the ass, it's because they're pains in the ass anyway. I never was. I was pretty quiet actually. Always turned in my work on time. Never cheated or missed a test or ever asked for anything. I was even one of those rare students who always actually read the assigned material. You're not busting any bubbles. I got my A's on merit, aced tests and wrote good papers. It was the same in high school That's why I graduated early from high school. And I was baked then too.
 
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