Y/A Health Care Debate...?

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Logan

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Whenever I am on Y/A, those opposed to health care reform always use this argument:

(Loosely quoted)

" No one is denied health care. Anyone can go to the ER and get treatment."

Yes, anyone can go to any county hospital and receive care. But if they can't pay the bill, who do you think gets charged? We that have insurance end up paying for it. Our premiums go up, doctor's visits go up and a tylenol given in the hospital costs $5.

So, please enlighten me on how this argument furthers your cause. To me and millions of others, this may be a very good reason why we need reform.
OUT2LUNCH4NOW2: Which article are you referring to? I'd like to read it. Not to prove anything to you, just out of curiosity.
Oh, out2lunch, I apologize for only skimming your answer. I see what you are getting at as far as the constitution.
 
America needs something similar to NHS that i have but the NHS isn't always good but i think want Barrack Obama is putting forward will really help Americans who live in Poverty and connot afford Health insurance.
 
I agree with jakeb,

Although some like to argue with everything a liberal says (or visa-versa), most thoughtful conservatives want reform, but not the same reform as liberals. Realistically, this is true politics. Two sides that want fundamentally the same thing, but have different ideas of how it should be done.
 
That argument and the Constitution argument are the most ridiculous arguments there are.

Clearly those who use them got them from the pundits.

A little common sense debunks them quickly.

They never once think that insurance works the same way, the money is pooled and paid out to all the policyholders.
 
Wow, a couple of Republicans have responded to this question with very moderate answers! I am not being facetious; I suspect that a majority of Republicans have similar views. The "wow" is about Yahoo Answers, not about Republicans.

It seems that there is broad agreement that we need to make sure everyone has health insurance, because, humanitarian issues aside, we are not so crass as a society to refuse health care to people who cannot afford it (including people who have decent incomes, but incur huge health-related costs).

Out To Lunch, here it is.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
 
Sure we need reform but seems to me either way I get screwed by other peoples lack of self responsibility........so whats your point?

How can you be serious about reform when you take tort reform off the table which is the real factor of ever increasing health care cost that doctors get stuck with and pass on to us.......

I would be glad to have a real discussion about it, but as long as the Dem's are lobbied by the lawyers and are acting in thier interest. Well, myself and other tax paying Libertarians don't want to hear it. If the Dem's want health care reform so badly let them make concessions.......but they wont, so they can piss off!

vote YES for mandatory sterilization to continue welfare benefits!
 
Everyone I know favors reform. We can't continue with the outrageous cost spiral we are now in. This from a Republican. That is not a green light for everything libs want.
 
Sure we need reform but seems to me either way I get screwed by other peoples lack of self responsibility........so whats your point?

How can you be serious about reform when you take tort reform off the table which is the real factor of ever increasing health care cost that doctors get stuck with and pass on to us.......

I would be glad to have a real discussion about it, but as long as the Dem's are lobbied by the lawyers and are acting in thier interest. Well, myself and other tax paying Libertarians don't want to hear it. If the Dem's want health care reform so badly let them make concessions.......but they wont, so they can piss off!

vote YES for mandatory sterilization to continue welfare benefits!
 
This is the main cause of the high cost of health care in America today - hospitals are required to treat everyone who makes it through the door, even the leeches. Why can't the leeches make payments for the care they receive? There are too many government regulations and mandates interfering with health care. There is NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY for the interference. (I dare you to prove me wrong with Article, Section and Paragraph.) If people were held responsible for their own health and the decisions they make, there would be a LOT fewer people leeching off the system.
 
Everyone I know favors reform. We can't continue with the outrageous cost spiral we are now in. This from a Republican. That is not a green light for everything libs want.
 
Sure we need reform but seems to me either way I get screwed by other peoples lack of self responsibility........so whats your point?

How can you be serious about reform when you take tort reform off the table which is the real factor of ever increasing health care cost that doctors get stuck with and pass on to us.......

I would be glad to have a real discussion about it, but as long as the Dem's are lobbied by the lawyers and are acting in thier interest. Well, myself and other tax paying Libertarians don't want to hear it. If the Dem's want health care reform so badly let them make concessions.......but they wont, so they can piss off!

vote YES for mandatory sterilization to continue welfare benefits!
 
Sure we need reform but seems to me either way I get screwed by other peoples lack of self responsibility........so whats your point?

How can you be serious about reform when you take tort reform off the table which is the real factor of ever increasing health care cost that doctors get stuck with and pass on to us.......

I would be glad to have a real discussion about it, but as long as the Dem's are lobbied by the lawyers and are acting in thier interest. Well, myself and other tax paying Libertarians don't want to hear it. If the Dem's want health care reform so badly let them make concessions.......but they wont, so they can piss off!

vote YES for mandatory sterilization to continue welfare benefits!
 
This is the main cause of the high cost of health care in America today - hospitals are required to treat everyone who makes it through the door, even the leeches. Why can't the leeches make payments for the care they receive? There are too many government regulations and mandates interfering with health care. There is NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY for the interference. (I dare you to prove me wrong with Article, Section and Paragraph.) If people were held responsible for their own health and the decisions they make, there would be a LOT fewer people leeching off the system.
 
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