Windows Phone 7: how will it impact Nokia?
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Who says Android won't have a better means of text selection down the line too? Actually HTC Sense phones already has.
Its really becomes a matter of who can pump out updates faster. WP7 phones have the advantage of getting them from Microsoft. The disadvantage is that they're limited only to 20mb, and Microsoft never has free passes for a full OS upgrade. Remember? They charge for every jump. Remember Windows XP SP1, SP2 and SP3? Vista? Windows 7? Which of these are free with any legal Windows user of the previous OS?
Its really becomes a matter of who can pump out updates faster. WP7 phones have the advantage of getting them from Microsoft. The disadvantage is that they're limited only to 20mb, and Microsoft never has free passes for a full OS upgrade. Remember? They charge for every jump. Remember Windows XP SP1, SP2 and SP3? Vista? Windows 7? Which of these are free with any legal Windows user of the previous OS?
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Definitely possible, but as their platform surrounds around the idea that the phone is not a pc, they may do things differently. they've copied tons from apple and seeing as all phones have similar hardware, I think they see that updates please Apple's username and would work for their users too.
numberone0119
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Also yeah, sense UI and motoblur both have much better text selection and copy&paste than stock-don't remember sense UI's off the top of my head but motoblur's was ripped straight from the iPhone.
I like metro UI a lot, but there are a lot of things about the platform and microsoft's control of the system that I'm not too sure about. Yeah apple sells a ton of phones because they have 1 phone, but there are basically 10 phones that look and function almost exactly the same with WP7 and I am curious how well all the different models are going to sell. The cheaper ones will probably be within the N8's current price range though won't they?
Nokia's problem now isn't so much WP7, it's definitely microsoft's checkbook.
I like metro UI a lot, but there are a lot of things about the platform and microsoft's control of the system that I'm not too sure about. Yeah apple sells a ton of phones because they have 1 phone, but there are basically 10 phones that look and function almost exactly the same with WP7 and I am curious how well all the different models are going to sell. The cheaper ones will probably be within the N8's current price range though won't they?
Nokia's problem now isn't so much WP7, it's definitely microsoft's checkbook.
Corpsman Joe
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The Select Text thing Apple did, they patented it. Only reason why Google could not copy this is patent infringement. Obviously HTC and Motorola is asking for it, but then again Motorola isn't even waiting for Apple to sue them, they're already suing the fruit boys.
HTC Sense select text is like a ripoff of Apple's. Except it also adds Search and Translate features, and use the the thumbtacks used on Google Maps as markers, which is more finger friendly that what Apple is using.
My problem with the Windows Phone 7 is that all ten phones don't differentiate much against each other other than branding, 4.3" vs. 3.8", slider vs. without slider, 8gb internal memory vs. 16, 5mp vs. 8mp. Its all tiny stuff. All of them are pretty priced high, the cheapest of whom seems to be in the E7 territory and the most expensive into high end iPad territory. All seems carrier locked, the only unlocked models are those headed for Singapore, which is the Optimus 7 and the HD7, but then again, I never include LG smartphones in my discussion radar because they all look crappy.
The four Symbian^3 phones in contrast, exhibit much more market segmentation and differentiation. You got a feel of low end, mid end, photo-high end, business-high end. Another point with all four phones is there is no regional division. This is not like Europe gets this, US gets this, Asia gets this,. All ten WP7 is never available in one single area or carrier to give you a choice. In contrast, all four Symbian^3 phones will have equal global reach.
Except for specific for China models, it's Nokia's strength they have the same phones for everyone and everybody around the world. Bloggers complain Nokia should have taken HTC and Samsung's approach by creating US specific models, but then again, does Apple or Blackberry actually create specific US models? Their phones are meant for everyone in this world. its the same IPhone 4 or Blackberry Curve you buy in Toronto or Dubai.
When Samsung decided to create as single smartphone, one that is available in every region, every carrier, no regional or carrier exclusion, just carrier and regional variation, they were rewarded with great success with it. That was the Galaxy S. Pretty much every other Samsung phone went the other way, allowing themselves to be regional and carrier exclusives, and pretty much died. Worst recent example is the Galaxy Beam.
WP7 just duplicating some of the problems in Android and Windows Mobile by having regional and carrier exclusives. Again.
HTC Sense select text is like a ripoff of Apple's. Except it also adds Search and Translate features, and use the the thumbtacks used on Google Maps as markers, which is more finger friendly that what Apple is using.
My problem with the Windows Phone 7 is that all ten phones don't differentiate much against each other other than branding, 4.3" vs. 3.8", slider vs. without slider, 8gb internal memory vs. 16, 5mp vs. 8mp. Its all tiny stuff. All of them are pretty priced high, the cheapest of whom seems to be in the E7 territory and the most expensive into high end iPad territory. All seems carrier locked, the only unlocked models are those headed for Singapore, which is the Optimus 7 and the HD7, but then again, I never include LG smartphones in my discussion radar because they all look crappy.
The four Symbian^3 phones in contrast, exhibit much more market segmentation and differentiation. You got a feel of low end, mid end, photo-high end, business-high end. Another point with all four phones is there is no regional division. This is not like Europe gets this, US gets this, Asia gets this,. All ten WP7 is never available in one single area or carrier to give you a choice. In contrast, all four Symbian^3 phones will have equal global reach.
Except for specific for China models, it's Nokia's strength they have the same phones for everyone and everybody around the world. Bloggers complain Nokia should have taken HTC and Samsung's approach by creating US specific models, but then again, does Apple or Blackberry actually create specific US models? Their phones are meant for everyone in this world. its the same IPhone 4 or Blackberry Curve you buy in Toronto or Dubai.
When Samsung decided to create as single smartphone, one that is available in every region, every carrier, no regional or carrier exclusion, just carrier and regional variation, they were rewarded with great success with it. That was the Galaxy S. Pretty much every other Samsung phone went the other way, allowing themselves to be regional and carrier exclusives, and pretty much died. Worst recent example is the Galaxy Beam.
WP7 just duplicating some of the problems in Android and Windows Mobile by having regional and carrier exclusives. Again.
Definitely, but can you imagine how the average consumer would feel if they were presented with all 10 phones in the same store LOL
I'm pretty sure the reason the specs don't differ much is because microsoft wants to mimic the positives that come of the iPhone only having 1 set of hardware, though I feel that microsoft overdid it. No problem that the manufacturers want to launch phones, but they should've limited them to 1-2 each. I'm struggling to see why HTC needs to launch with 5 phones when the guts are virtually the same(is the 7 pro #5 or #6?)
Now that you mentioned it though what parts of windows phone 7 actually support landscape? I feel like their entire system relies on a portrait view, sliding left and right to see more information.
This is all I could find online:
I'm pretty sure the reason the specs don't differ much is because microsoft wants to mimic the positives that come of the iPhone only having 1 set of hardware, though I feel that microsoft overdid it. No problem that the manufacturers want to launch phones, but they should've limited them to 1-2 each. I'm struggling to see why HTC needs to launch with 5 phones when the guts are virtually the same(is the 7 pro #5 or #6?)
Now that you mentioned it though what parts of windows phone 7 actually support landscape? I feel like their entire system relies on a portrait view, sliding left and right to see more information.
This is all I could find online:
There are some apps---there's only 80 of them right now---that appears they don't have landscape orientation. Which is a problem with sliders. Dell was smart to introduce a portrait slider instead and HTC, well, deferred it next year, leaving LG holding the mistake.
All the guts of the Windows Phone 7 have the old 65um MSM8250 Qualcomm Snapdragon introduced in late 2008. It burns hot under heavy use, and drains battery. Its the same chip that gives many Android phones that "warm" feeling.
None of the WP7 use the processors with the cutting edge 45um process. These processors are faster than the old Snapdragon in graphics, don't give off as much heat, and don't use as much power. They include, iPhone 4 (A4), Galaxy S (Hummingbird), Droid 2 (OMAP 3640), Droid X (OMAP 3640), Desire HD (8255 Snapdragon), G2/Merge/Desire Z (7230 Snapdragon). Why does WP7 do it? They're optimizing the OS to a single processor, which is not a bad idea if you want to clean out bugs, deal with a limited set of processor errata, and optimize to that chip. But in the long run, it ties the OS to that chip, a reason why Symbian S60 V5 on the Nokia side is tied to a 434Mhz ARM11 (Samsung and Sony Ericsson reworked the OS for the Cortex A8, but isn't sharing that back to Nokia), or the way Blackberry OS is tied to some 624Mhz Marvell chip. This pattern of development is similar to game consoles, where the platform is kept the same, even for years and years to the point of generational obsolescence. They do this to remove the X factors in working for a new chip, which has different DSPs and GPUs, plus processor errata.
WP7 phones will be the stars of the moment, until the Android Tegra 2 multicores come. Meego here has a big opportunity to leap frog by heading directly to the A9 multicores.
All the guts of the Windows Phone 7 have the old 65um MSM8250 Qualcomm Snapdragon introduced in late 2008. It burns hot under heavy use, and drains battery. Its the same chip that gives many Android phones that "warm" feeling.
None of the WP7 use the processors with the cutting edge 45um process. These processors are faster than the old Snapdragon in graphics, don't give off as much heat, and don't use as much power. They include, iPhone 4 (A4), Galaxy S (Hummingbird), Droid 2 (OMAP 3640), Droid X (OMAP 3640), Desire HD (8255 Snapdragon), G2/Merge/Desire Z (7230 Snapdragon). Why does WP7 do it? They're optimizing the OS to a single processor, which is not a bad idea if you want to clean out bugs, deal with a limited set of processor errata, and optimize to that chip. But in the long run, it ties the OS to that chip, a reason why Symbian S60 V5 on the Nokia side is tied to a 434Mhz ARM11 (Samsung and Sony Ericsson reworked the OS for the Cortex A8, but isn't sharing that back to Nokia), or the way Blackberry OS is tied to some 624Mhz Marvell chip. This pattern of development is similar to game consoles, where the platform is kept the same, even for years and years to the point of generational obsolescence. They do this to remove the X factors in working for a new chip, which has different DSPs and GPUs, plus processor errata.
WP7 phones will be the stars of the moment, until the Android Tegra 2 multicores come. Meego here has a big opportunity to leap frog by heading directly to the A9 multicores.
RealEstate
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BTW if I were to buy, or like among the Windows Phone 7, it would either be the HTC Trophy, which is seems to be the best priced, or the Mondrian. This is where the regional and carrier exclusivity bites because they are specific to certain Euro carriers, Vodafone for one, with limited bands and locked. The others are too big and too expensive (HD7), don't like the brand (LG and Dell). I kind of like the Omnia 7 too, but that's another Euro exclusive, sets you with an awful $675 price for unsubsidized and holds only 8gb of internal memory, non swappable.
ladyhawks6
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Vodafone never lock any of their contract phones in the UK, they all come unlocked.
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