Will Serious Western animation ever rival Serious Eastern animation?

But it's still a story aimed at and told to children, using the techniques of children's storytelling. The Japanese apparently tolerate a little more sex and violence in their children's material, but sex and violence alone don't make something mature.
 
Will Western animation ever rival Eastern animation?

Ask the folks at Disney/Pixar and Dreamworks. Ask the guys behind Spongebob Squarepants and Avatar: The Last Airbender. Ask the creators at Fresh TV, Culver Animation, and Titmouse Animation. Ask the folks at South Park Studios and Twentieth Television. Ask the animators at Warner Bros.

Western animation has been "rivaling" Eastern animation forever. It's just those fringe otaku types are so blind to see what's happening on this side of the Pacific.
 
Probably not, but why does it have to? What's the point? Personally, I don't care for anime. Everyone keeps griping about quality animation. What's wrong with developing quality animation, here in the states? That's one thing that should really be explored- it can't hurt.
 
Yeah, but I said it's a children's style show in Japan, and the same for America, only if we were more accepting of violence/sex. Parents are really picky about what their children watch...
 
Gotta hate those Otaku LOL. On a side note, the guys of South Park "Studios", I am assuming you mean Trey and Matt.

Rivaled yes, but Japan just cranks out too much for any person to see all of it. In America, we have Comic books like they have anime (yes, they have manga too, but our comic area is vastly larger than manga).



Quality animation is akeen to USA. Japan anime is the animation jitter.
May I refer you to these three videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WEFIp6GYT0&feature=response_watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEWWw-NSe4g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYfJQ5MosE&feature=channel_page
 
All I'm saying is that is shouldn't be held up as an example of superior adult animation. It's just a, from an American mores perspective at least, especially dirty and violent kid's cartoon.
 
Guess I should have left it alone on page 1 when user X stated how he doesn't care if japanese animation is quality. I should have not posted the 3 videos. But I am glad I did, I see how rabroad handles them.
 
Creatively, I don't think it's going to happen any time soon, if at all. Unfortunately the mindset America has is cartoons should only be comedic and only for kids. Action cartoons are rare, and ones that are actually well written and actually have an ending and aren't just episodic adventures can be counted on one hand. I would like to think one day the US will make shows that are up to par with Monster, but when the majority of shows are more like Shin-chan, then the future doesn't seem that hopeful for me. We lavish over shows that do such as Avatar and WITCH, but those are a dime a dozen in Japan when you take a step back and look at it. The cynic in me say that animation won't ever be as varied as it is in Japan.
 
But what if said character arc IS both thematic and story? Because unless I'm suppose to believe otherwise, Danny's growth charges both his character's growing maturity and the overall support/theme of the show. *shrugs* To each their own. ;)
 
I have to say...Yes.
I think the breakthrough has began around the 80's and really hit hard (Kind of) in the 90's and so on.

Like for example:
-Spawn
-The Maxx
-Batman:TAS
-Superman:TAS
-Samurai Jack
-Justice League
-Avatar
-X-men (90's and so on)
-Batman: Beyond
-Beast Wars: Transformer
-ReBoot
-Transformers: G1
-TMNT (2003)
-Ben 10: Alien force
-Star Wars: Clones war (2D & 3D)

By the pacing its going through, the western will soon break the habit of “Cartoons are only for kids and or should always be funny” thing.
 
It was first serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump, so I'd say yes. Looking at the original publication is a decent rule of thumb for those things, since the publications are relatively clear in their stratification in Japan, with a magazine for boys being clearly marked as a magazine for boys.
 
Yes, but aimed at an older audience than the average shonen. Shonen manga demographics range from 8-18. Most anime adaptations try to go for the younger half of the demo, while Death Note is clearly aimed at older teenagers if not outright aiming for adults as well (which given the late-night timeslot would make some sense).
 
Another thing that needs to improve is the humor cartoons meant for adults. Simpsons, Futurama, Venture Bros, American Dad even South Park to a degree are the only adult comedy toons to not being reliant on vulgar humor or at least have decent writng. Past examples which could be used for reference also include The Critic, Mission Hill, King Of The Hill, Space Ghost Coast To Coast, The Brak Show, Harvey Birdman Attourney At Law and the early episodes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

I mean, I find the comedy cartoons for children to be more clever than most of Adult Swims comedies any day.



There's good American animation, and bad American animation.

There's good anime, and bad anime.


Extremism like in the videos are inaccurate as to which has more quality.
 
I'm not saying there hasn't been any I've seen most of those shows on this list what I mean will we get more shows like Avatar, Samurai Jack etc that are for older audiences
 
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