AloneintheDark
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a 3.5mm jack would allow me to directly plug my N73 into my truck's stereo system, and would make Smartmovie TRULY a must-have app.
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Why is Nokia so annoying?
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^^^However Nokia knows this, so they will not put it in place. Why, because they use is as a carrot on a stick when they come up with units that do have it.
In their defense maybe in their fervor to add new stuff in they forget the other stuff. After all, when you are talking of the architecture of the device the 3.5,mm take a lot of space and it might prove too expensive to have it IN the device. Hence why they try to pass the cost to you.
In their defense maybe in their fervor to add new stuff in they forget the other stuff. After all, when you are talking of the architecture of the device the 3.5,mm take a lot of space and it might prove too expensive to have it IN the device. Hence why they try to pass the cost to you.
Just to keep the fire going, I don't understand your reasoning with a lot of this. I do agree that it'd be nice to see some standard features on Nokia devices as Nokia has promised (I'm fine with waiting patiently), but your basing your entire argument off the naming/numbering system Nokia has used, which has no impact on whether or not a device is an "improvement" over its former models or not.
The N77 is a COMPLETELY different device from the N73. The only feature they really share is that they are both bar phones. From N73>N77, Nokia dropped the 850 band, the 3.2mp+autofocus camera down to a 2mp still camera, removed half the internal memory, and dropped BT 2.0 down to 1.2 (which does matter).
BUT! The things they've added to the phone are what separates it so much. They kicked up the screen to 16mil colors, added A2DP that everyone's crying about, gave it DVB-H, all inside FP1 on top of it.
The same goes with the N75, N76, or any of the other N7x's. There are both flips and bar phones across the entire line, and none of them are "improvements" over any of the others; they're just different. So when someone says that the N99 will be the Next Big Thing because of its huge feature specs, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like another N8x number first, and it probably won't be a slider either.
And, as I've said before, it may suck that these features aren't standard across the line, but your next choice is to buy a phone with a standard feature line, except those features won't be anything to write home about.
The N77 is a COMPLETELY different device from the N73. The only feature they really share is that they are both bar phones. From N73>N77, Nokia dropped the 850 band, the 3.2mp+autofocus camera down to a 2mp still camera, removed half the internal memory, and dropped BT 2.0 down to 1.2 (which does matter).
BUT! The things they've added to the phone are what separates it so much. They kicked up the screen to 16mil colors, added A2DP that everyone's crying about, gave it DVB-H, all inside FP1 on top of it.
The same goes with the N75, N76, or any of the other N7x's. There are both flips and bar phones across the entire line, and none of them are "improvements" over any of the others; they're just different. So when someone says that the N99 will be the Next Big Thing because of its huge feature specs, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like another N8x number first, and it probably won't be a slider either.
And, as I've said before, it may suck that these features aren't standard across the line, but your next choice is to buy a phone with a standard feature line, except those features won't be anything to write home about.
I think your giving Joe Average a little too much credit. I would love to see how often Joe Average fails and A/B test with various electronics. Plug in to an ipod, N73me, N91, Sony CD player, ...and some super high end set up and I bet you Joe Average is confused as a m****r f****r. For now this emphasis on the best audio quality available is a little bit too much for me. I think most of the S60s i've owned have been "acceptable" for long term listening......but what do I know....most of the music I listen to was recorded during the 50's so nothing will polish them up the same way a hmmm....whos a modern artist?? umm....nirvana? I'll take my MuddyWaters, Pinetop Perkins, George Harmonica Smith, Little Walter, Big Walter, Kim Wilson, Sunnyland Slim, Rahsaan Roland Kirk....etcetc...anyway I can.. The N95 offers the 3.5 mm so let's start giving Nokia a little credit...
(post not directed at you Olly...just pointing out how stupid the Average joe really is )
(post not directed at you Olly...just pointing out how stupid the Average joe really is )
PoKeMoNrOcKs
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I think I'm even on that list, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. The primary is different from the election.
All the damn time with all of the applications I use.
Constantly, especially now that I use SoonR so much. Unlimited web from T-Mobile plus using the Web browser gives me an instant access to any information I need without having to use any of my carriers information services that charge and without using a PC to do it.
All the damn time with all of the applications I use.
Constantly, especially now that I use SoonR so much. Unlimited web from T-Mobile plus using the Web browser gives me an instant access to any information I need without having to use any of my carriers information services that charge and without using a PC to do it.
I think Symbian is loaded with a bunch of bells and whistles that none of us really need...or would ever care about if we didn't have.
Maybe, only since I haven't had too many complaints about using a 6260 for the past month except for problems with the phone itself that would work fine on any other phone. I'm at step 0 though for convergence and convenience, since I can't do anything with it that I'd like, so I say those bells and whistles are all the more important. I could get into how convenient s60 is on a stable phone, but I'd have a lot to say.
People in Europe are using Sensor since the phones over there are mostly s60 and Barcode Scanner is meant for uses outside of the end consumer. If you research into it, you'll learn quite a bit on it.
SMS accelerator has been integrated into all firmwares since they released it so you no longer need to install it if your firmware is newer than, oh, November or so.
Millions? Profimail for an alternate email, Opera/Opera Mini for alternate web access, SExplorer, Y-Browser, X-Plore, and SysExplorer with FExplorer on its way...that was less than 10. All of these applications bring something new and/or different to an s60 than the native apps do already, though not necessarily by replacing them. I will agree that the primary use for the task managers is to monitor the low amount of RAM, though it certainly has other uses as well.
Send a text with it. That HAS to be fun AND practical . I have a strange feeling the iPhone will be just like the iPod: the device for the hipsters who don't know anything more about devices with real functionality. "But look at my multi-touch screen!" Nifty...
Lewie Bum Bum
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but how many ppl will actually spend the money thou? thats another question.
cody ttc# 1
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well the iphone is much more expensive than the ipod, but then ppl buy macs like they are buying gold for $20 i guess
at first i was excited about the iPhone, but after reading that it is going to be basically a PDA MP3 player with a phone built in i got un excited fast. First of all it needs to be a damn phone.. lol... i might be wrong, but i think there will be huge shortages at first and when everyone can get one, no one is going to want one. Hopefully they will not saturate the market like Moto has with the damn Razr.
Ill stick with my e50, it has everything i need, and im not sure how a touch screen will work when you are mashing it against your face with your shoulder....
"oh wait hold on, my phone is opening things grandma....
Oh yah baby, give it to me hard!!!
NOOOOOOO my face opened up porn for my grandma!!!"
lol... stupid **** like that.
Ill stick with my e50, it has everything i need, and im not sure how a touch screen will work when you are mashing it against your face with your shoulder....
"oh wait hold on, my phone is opening things grandma....
Oh yah baby, give it to me hard!!!
NOOOOOOO my face opened up porn for my grandma!!!"
lol... stupid **** like that.
Actually, IIRC, it has technology that senses when it's up to your face and disables the touch screen. Seriously.
Personally, I think it'll be a hot seller, but it will also have a high return rate. People will think it's cool for about a week, then realize that for roughly the same price they could get an 80gb iPod and a RAZR. Even I'd take that combination over an iPhone.
However, personally, I think the iPhone will be a GREAT opportunity for other manufacturers, HTC and Nokia in particular. HTC has already said that they will be selling their Advantage carrier-free, and if you look at the specs, it beats the iPhone hands-down. And the N95 should show up on these shores any time now. If those are marketed correctly, they'll both eat into the iPhone ALOT.
Personally, I think it'll be a hot seller, but it will also have a high return rate. People will think it's cool for about a week, then realize that for roughly the same price they could get an 80gb iPod and a RAZR. Even I'd take that combination over an iPhone.
However, personally, I think the iPhone will be a GREAT opportunity for other manufacturers, HTC and Nokia in particular. HTC has already said that they will be selling their Advantage carrier-free, and if you look at the specs, it beats the iPhone hands-down. And the N95 should show up on these shores any time now. If those are marketed correctly, they'll both eat into the iPhone ALOT.
@JP: Ask any person in sales what the percentage of people interested in a product who actually buy is. In most sales situations, lets say you get 100 well qualified leads, in other words people that have shown interest in a product. You can expect that perhaps 10% of those people, so 10 people in this case, will move beyond the 'initial interest' phase and seriously consider the product. Out of those 10 people, perhaps 10 - 20% will actually purchase the product, so we're talking 1 or 2 people.
Since it's Apple, I'll even give them some extra credit for pulling power:
It's sales 101: out of a million people showing initial interest in the iPhone, the likelihood is that only about 20% will show true interest in buying it (again, being generous to Apple here). Out of that 200,000, you could maybe give Apple even up to a 30% buy rate (being VERY generous), so you're talking about 60,000 folks out of that initial million.
Now, will the iPhone sell more than 60,000 units? Of course, in the long run I think they'll hit probably around 500,000 to a million people. But not that first 1,000,000 that showed interest, and certainly not that 10,000,000 that Steve Jobs is aiming at.
Unlike the iPod, there are many other mitigating factors involved here. When the iPod was released for Winblows as well as Mac is when it really took off. It's simply numbers really, and it's easy to see why. But the iPhone? It's not a simply purchase:
1.) possibility of switching carriers (strike 1)
2.) initial cost for the phone, which most people still won't pay for a cell phone (strike 2)
3.) the fact that Apple has done SO well with the iPod is going to HURT sales of the iPhone... because whether it has all these great browsing features, and doo-dads, and blah blah blah, people are still going to have the idea that it's simply an iPod and a phone married together... and since most of those people already own an iPod, they're not going to plop 400-600 bucks on a phone to replace that iPod. (strike 3)
Never forget that Apple has to fight it's own marketshare to get people to buy the iPhone, and unlike people who simply upgrade to a new iPod every couple of years, this is a completely different product that they have to wrap their heads around. Many people won't switch, simply because they like having a seperate music player and phone.
*EDIT* As an addendum, I think Apple really shot themselves in the foot by giving Cing/ATT the carrier exclusive here. What they really should have done is made an unlocked GSM version, and an unlocked CDMA version, and marketed it themselves... I think they would sell FAR more if there were no carrier switch involved. The free marketing from Cing/ATT is not enough to compensate for the carrier lock in that many people are faced with.
-olly
Since it's Apple, I'll even give them some extra credit for pulling power:
It's sales 101: out of a million people showing initial interest in the iPhone, the likelihood is that only about 20% will show true interest in buying it (again, being generous to Apple here). Out of that 200,000, you could maybe give Apple even up to a 30% buy rate (being VERY generous), so you're talking about 60,000 folks out of that initial million.
Now, will the iPhone sell more than 60,000 units? Of course, in the long run I think they'll hit probably around 500,000 to a million people. But not that first 1,000,000 that showed interest, and certainly not that 10,000,000 that Steve Jobs is aiming at.
Unlike the iPod, there are many other mitigating factors involved here. When the iPod was released for Winblows as well as Mac is when it really took off. It's simply numbers really, and it's easy to see why. But the iPhone? It's not a simply purchase:
1.) possibility of switching carriers (strike 1)
2.) initial cost for the phone, which most people still won't pay for a cell phone (strike 2)
3.) the fact that Apple has done SO well with the iPod is going to HURT sales of the iPhone... because whether it has all these great browsing features, and doo-dads, and blah blah blah, people are still going to have the idea that it's simply an iPod and a phone married together... and since most of those people already own an iPod, they're not going to plop 400-600 bucks on a phone to replace that iPod. (strike 3)
Never forget that Apple has to fight it's own marketshare to get people to buy the iPhone, and unlike people who simply upgrade to a new iPod every couple of years, this is a completely different product that they have to wrap their heads around. Many people won't switch, simply because they like having a seperate music player and phone.
*EDIT* As an addendum, I think Apple really shot themselves in the foot by giving Cing/ATT the carrier exclusive here. What they really should have done is made an unlocked GSM version, and an unlocked CDMA version, and marketed it themselves... I think they would sell FAR more if there were no carrier switch involved. The free marketing from Cing/ATT is not enough to compensate for the carrier lock in that many people are faced with.
-olly
You and I, we're not representative of the market. I used to sell phones for Rogers in the downtown financial district of Toronto, a location that deals with every type of customer you can think of and believe me, Symbian in Canada is bunk....and it's safe to extend that to the USA as well looking at today's reality.
Out of all those apps you just needed, I'd put money on it that you're fine without them...just like you were before you had them (ie. when S60v3 first came out and there was barely anything available)....and those are some of the best of them.
Sure ScanR is one of those 'cool-look-at-me-fax-a-picture/contract' applications but I just have 2 questions?
1.) who uses fax machines still? why don't you just email the thing?
2.) what photographed, converted and faxed document is binding and/or legible?
95% of all Symbian apps are like those colorful beads kids put on bicycle spokes. Useless after 5 min of fame.
Again, who's knows somebody that knows somebody that uses or needs a barcode scanner on their S60 phone?
Out of all those apps you just needed, I'd put money on it that you're fine without them...just like you were before you had them (ie. when S60v3 first came out and there was barely anything available)....and those are some of the best of them.
Sure ScanR is one of those 'cool-look-at-me-fax-a-picture/contract' applications but I just have 2 questions?
1.) who uses fax machines still? why don't you just email the thing?
2.) what photographed, converted and faxed document is binding and/or legible?
95% of all Symbian apps are like those colorful beads kids put on bicycle spokes. Useless after 5 min of fame.
Again, who's knows somebody that knows somebody that uses or needs a barcode scanner on their S60 phone?
all valid, and i never said that those 1'000'000 people who expressed interest are going to convert into sales, but what i am saying is that people want it because it's known to be simple and fully functional...and that it will make more than a dent in the North American market
the great thing about the iPhone is that you don't need to install any apps. everything looks like it's going to be proper.
not like nokia where you install apps just to improve stock applications (look at the list JonnyBruha provided....they all already exist on the phone lolololol)
the great thing about the iPhone is that you don't need to install any apps. everything looks like it's going to be proper.
not like nokia where you install apps just to improve stock applications (look at the list JonnyBruha provided....they all already exist on the phone lolololol)
SeXy SpRiNkLeZ!
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I said SoonR, not ScanR. Big difference.
I'm not going to argue about the iCrap anymore tonight. I'm tired and above all anxious now that X has the N95 in stock.
I'm not going to argue about the iCrap anymore tonight. I'm tired and above all anxious now that X has the N95 in stock.
This of course is not true. After the PIM, my most used applications are:
- mWeather
- A-Z London maps by Lumisoft.net
- Language dictionary from TJ Mobile
So to be fair that is some good ones which ave nothing to do with built-in apps.
That said I do agree with you that Nokia is seriously behind in terms of getting that breadth of market for 3rd party apps. In many major cities, you cannot find an S60 3rd street map to run on your phone. Not talking about the data-sucking lame graphics ones that Nokia and GoogleMaps are peddling but a proper street map with major and minor details.
And that is just one example.
So if Apple is going to go for the All-in-one, then NOkia had better get busy convincing developers that is is worth therir while to write S60 3rd apps - it it better start writing them. Task managers and lame PIMs like Papyrus that dont barely go beyond the built-in are NOT going to cut it.
- mWeather
- A-Z London maps by Lumisoft.net
- Language dictionary from TJ Mobile
So to be fair that is some good ones which ave nothing to do with built-in apps.
That said I do agree with you that Nokia is seriously behind in terms of getting that breadth of market for 3rd party apps. In many major cities, you cannot find an S60 3rd street map to run on your phone. Not talking about the data-sucking lame graphics ones that Nokia and GoogleMaps are peddling but a proper street map with major and minor details.
And that is just one example.
So if Apple is going to go for the All-in-one, then NOkia had better get busy convincing developers that is is worth therir while to write S60 3rd apps - it it better start writing them. Task managers and lame PIMs like Papyrus that dont barely go beyond the built-in are NOT going to cut it.