Why do we always complain about our government contradicting the ideas of the

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founding fathers? The founding fathers were slave owners, racists, religiously discriminating, hypocrites who knew nothing about what would happen in four hundred years. They were geniuses of their own time, but their thoughts can't really be relied on now, four hundred years later.
 
They gave us freedom of religion, so they were not religiously discriminating.

Let's also forget everything we learned from the Greeks and Romans just because they had slaves......

Oh, forgot. To liberals slavery is only bad when black people are enslaved. Sorry!!!
 
First, not everybody does. There are lots of people who have the wisdom to recognize that the details of our founding no longer apply to some things in modern life. But the basics always remain the same. Although they did not practice it perfectly, the principle of all men are created equal still applies, as does innocent until proven guilty, etc.

People who argue that we are violating the founding principles are generally trying to excuse behavior that they don't like. For instance, many people do not believe that you should have to read the Miranda rights to a suspect and that not reading them should not invalidate any evidence collected without reading them. They say it wasn't in the original Constitution so we shouldn't have added it. Usually, they are trying to impede progress they don't agree with.
 
They are some fundamental concepts in them that are not altered by the passage of time, for instance the right to a trial, if accused of a misdeed.
As for being slave owners; many wanted the abolition of slavery.

You seem to suggest that some basic human values change over 400 years, I disagree, and suggest that the only reason a lot of people now don't own slaves is because it is illegal, and many contempory Americans would happily go along with slave ownership if they were not the slaves, and it was generally accepted by society.

The essential rights and freedoms enshrined in the constitution have nothing to do with the time it was written in-there were plenty of terrorists, both foreign and domestic, in the time of the founding fathers, which has been the recent excuse for curtailling some of those liberties.
 
So we throw out ideas like

Innocent until proven guilty
Freedom of Religion
Freedom of the Press
Freedom of Assembly
Life, Liberty, and Property

Great plan.
 
Yes, but they were the ones that came up with the idea of liberty in an inhumane world
 
Another kool-aid drinking Obama-bot.

How bout we just take your right to free speech away and you can no longer post your questions here.
 
Obama would love you, you should move to D.[elete] the C.[onstitution] in order to be closer to your Messiah.
 
--Slave owners: so were the people who gave us the scientific method and democracy itself: ancient Greeks.
--Racists: see above.
--Religiously discriminating: obviously not, because they established separation of church and state.
--Hypocrites: when did they ever contradict themselves?
 
I beg to differ:

It's always entertaining when people claim to be smarter, more worldly, "progressive" in the ideas that the founders knew about. It's the same historical ignorance that brought Obama to popularity and will ultimately squash the freedoms afforded to you by those "slave owners, racists, religiously discriminating, hypocrites." Enjoy it while you got it...the rest of us know where that mentality takes us.
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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
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To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
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I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
James Madison
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: '>From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747�1813)
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When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin
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It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this is the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men� Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
Ludwig von Mise
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The more one considers the matter, the clearer it becomes that redistribution is in effect far less a redistribution of free income from the richer to the poorer, as we imagined, than a redistribution of power from the individual to the State.
Bertrand de Jouvenel
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When a self-governing people confer upon their government the power to take from some and give to others, the process will not stop until the last bone of the last taxpayer is picked bare.
Kershner's First Law
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Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors
to live at the expense of everybody else.
-- Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)
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In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money
as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764
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No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is
in session.
-- Mark Twain (1866)
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The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
misery.
-- Winston Churchill
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The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
enough to take everything you have.
-- Thomas Jefferson

These men were smart...and they've predicted w/ great accuracy what happens when the government seeks more power and citizens welcome it w/ open arms in exchange for some bread crumbs next to the dinner table. The Founders were great men who believed in the individual -- and feared large government and the collective mindset. Do you know why loose financial policy leads to collapse? Because those leveraged to pay taxes can't afford them for long...no taxes - no income - no "progression."
 
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