Why do people argue about Obamas birth certificate, when it dosent matter where he...

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...was born? To those who say Obama was born in Kenya: Born in Kenya or not, he had an American mother, and by the US Government's interpretation of a Natural Born Citizen, Obama is a Natural Born Citizen by jus sanguinis: "those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for statutory citizenship". And if he was born with dual citizenship, at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. Since Obama neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
 
I have no idea where Obama was born and I doubt we will ever see the long form birth certificate but I would guess this is such a huge issue with some people because Obama used to teach the Constitution and knows it well. If he was born in Kenya and knows this, it would make him a complete con man who knowingly usurped the presidency under false pretenses. It would mean he is a total lie. The fact that he spends millions of dollars getting the lawsuits thrown out of court rather than just produce the document makes people wonder what he has to hide that is worth millions of dollars. It just adds fuel to the fire.
 
Actually, the legislation that made a child born abroad to at least one US citizen a natural born citizen didn't come to be until November 14, 1986. Only a child born on or after that date can qualify. Barack Obama was born August 4, 1961, which is about 25 years to early.

So, if Obama were born in Kenya, which he wasn't, he wouldn't be eligible for president because he is not a natural born citizen.

Englishman, you are wrong. According to the Supreme Courts ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, a case decided in 1898, if a child were born in the US, even if his parents are subject to a foreign power, and had permanant residence in the US, the child is a citizen. So, if Obama were born in Hawaii to a mother who was a US citizen and a father who was a Kenyan citizen, he would still be a natural born citizen.

What many people are missing is that there was never a formal definition for a natural born citizen in the Constitution. The definition is from Congress. You can't say that the Constitution doesn't define him as a natural born citizen, because the Constitution never defines a natural born citizen.

It is currently accepted that a child born of two illegal immigrants are natural born citizens, even though there is no formal legal precedent. To say that Obama isn't a natural born citizen because of his father's citizenship has no standing.
 
You seem to have forgotten that he was a citizen in Indonesia where he was adopted and renounced his U.S. citizenship as a child. (no dual citizenship at the time in Indonesia) Doesn't matter if he was born here--in Kenya--doesn't matter. Also, mommy wasn't old enough to transfer her citizenship either. But...

Again--Indonesia. And he never came back the proper way. But, for argument's sake--tell us why Obama fights so hard to keep his records hidden? He could settle it in 15 minutes with about 15 bucks. Why does he pay millions? If you can answer why he hides it, (reasonably) then maybe we will move on.
 
First, because Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British Crown at the time Barack Jr. was born, Barack Sr.'s children, all of them, became subjects of the British Crown. Barack Jr. has stated this very clearly on his former "Fight the Smears" website which has since been srubbed. If you wish to read what his campaign wrote visit just about any blog covering this story and you can pull it up and read it with your own eyes.

What this means is that Barack Sr's loyalty lied with the Brits. Ann Stanley Dunham, Barack Jr's mothers, loyalties lie with the USA. When Barack was born to these two individuals he became a citizen of the US by virtue of his mother's citizenship AND a subject aka citizen of the British Colony aka Kenya.

This status of citizenship is known as "Dual" citizenship. Note: some argue that if Barack Jr was born in Kenya then his mother was to young to pass on US citizenship, hence, why folks want to see his original vaulted long-form birth certificate.

To complicate matters further, Barack Obama Jr was adopted by an Indonesian citizen named Lolo Soetoro. If he was adopted under the age of 5 he would have automatically become a citizen of Indonesia regardless of a legal adoption. Note - the US gave deference to sovereign territory laws regarding dual citizenship, ie., American and Indonesia or British and Indonesian, etc. Indonesia, at that time, did not recognize dual and only recognized Indonesian citizenship. Therefore, Barack Jr through adoption became an Indonesian citizen. No, he did not ask for this but as a minor child he was under his parents guardianship.

If Barack Obama Jr. went to Indonesia at the age of 6 he would have had to have been formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesian court. The citizenship status, as noted above, would still apply.

Now, we already know that Barack, by birth, was a dual national, British and American, which means he can only be a "native" citizen, that is, if he was born in Hawai'i as he has stated AND if when he returned from Indonesia he applied for and received his status as a naturalized citizen. If he did not apply for naturalization then he is an illegal alien. Few question whether he didn't apply for naturalization but there is no record of it to date so it cannot be ruled out.

Our Founding Fathers made it clear in Article II of the US Constitution that the President must be NOT may be a "Natural Born Citizen" for a reason. They wanted this leader to have loyalties ONLY to the USA rather than divided loyalties such as the USA and Britian - remember these good men gave blood and treasure during the Revolutionary War to secure freedom from the British Crown. They did not want the leader of this country to be loyal to any other homeland.

The definition of a "Natural Born" citizen is two "natural born" parents of the USA. It's nothing more complicated than this. If you were to marry another natural born individual and the two of you had a child in the USA or abroad at a military base or embassy your child would be a NBC.

Barack Obama Jr., by birth, never had the citizenship status of a "natural born" child and is therefore ineligible to serve as the President of the USA according to the laws that govern our nation.

Now if you want to direct your hostility to the appropriate parties who looked the other way then please look no further than the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Diane Feinstein. These are the culprits who signed off on the eligibility documents required by individual state's Board of Elections. The Party is the sole determiner in vetting their candidates eligibility. No federal agent is required by law to vet said candidates.

Barack Obama Jr is by definition under our laws a "native citizen" AND NOT a "natural born citizen". This is fact as he has clearly stated himself.
 
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