Who wants to ride a desmocedici?

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shelby!

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Squid,

Boy, you sure are angry! I'm not sure about what, but your anger is evident.

www.dictionary.com defines idiot as:

1.an utterly foolish or senseless person.
2.Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

I'm aware that you used the word "idiots" to insult lawyers rather than "stupid." I assumed you were using the word "idiot" in the familiar sense, that is, synonymous with "stupid." It is, after all, this usage that is most common. And frankly, judging from the context of your insult, I suspect that notwithstanding your claim to the contrary, this was in fact what you meant. (Evidenced, btw, by your adoption of this colloquial definition of "idiot" in your response when you posed the rhetorical question, "I guess that depends on your definition of stupid," and then answered your own question, "In my book, being "Arrogant. Obnoxious. Boring. Self-Centered. Over-bearing. Condescending. Manipulative. Talkative." means you're stupid.")

But never mind. Let's assume, arguendo, that you in fact used the word "idiot," as you now claim, in the secondary sense of the word, to mean, "having the mental age of a three year old child." So that means, "in [your] book, being 'Arrogant. Obnoxious. Boring. Self-Centered. Over-bearing. Condescending. Manipulative. Talkative.' means you have the mental age of a three year old child?"

Are you sure that's what you want to say? Keep digging. It's amusing.

Elton
 
Alright let's *not* hijack my thread, and get back to the subject.

The point was, I want to test the market, first here alone, to see how many people would like to ride this bike. If I can get enough people to put a deposit of 500 or 1000 bucks to pay for maybe 60-80 or hopefully 100 percent of the bike, then it is plausible I can get this to work.

So leave the details to me, I didn't ask your opinion, I just asked if you would pay 500 bucks to have the bike for a day. I have enough lawyers on the payroll to bicker I don't need another one barking things I can or cannot do. Sorry for the attitude, I just don't need my thread hijacked once again!

Please, if you would pay 500 for the bike for a 24 hour period, let's hear it! If you think it's a good idea, let's hear it! Finally, if you would rather ride the bike around the track a couple times for a few hundred bucks, let's hear it.

I'm just testing the market, so take it easssssyyyyyy Elton John sing some love songs brother.
 
Elton, if you noted a sense of anger in my typed words you're a much more sensitive reader than I. I just stated the facts about your errors, but you, as lawyers do, like to twist them. You can't help it can you? Especially when you're losing.

" "So that means, "in [your] book, being 'Arrogant. Obnoxious. Boring. Self-Centered. Over-bearing. Condescending. Manipulative. Talkative.' means you have the mental age of a three year old child?" " " That's you confusing the issues in your own head, again.

You need to read more carefully. I bet you'd be more fun to banter with if you'd use dictionary.com less and actually read what I type. You're probably not a very good lawyer either if you can't defend yourself in a forum like this. I hope you resort to correcting grammar and spelling; that's a really good sign that you're swinging in the wind. I'm happy to amuse you, but you bore me with your insecure need to prove how you are smarter than most. Must have gotten beat up a lot as a kid.

Sorry, Hicks. I won't write any more about Elton.

I'd be interested in paying $500 to get to ride the bike for a day. You work out the details, and let us know.
 
Of course. Well the time has come where it looks like I need to elaborate my game-plan.

First of all, I need to pay for the bike. I don't mind dishing out the cash myself really, just would like to know that it's going to pay for itself. And additionally, I just want to pay for the bike I'm not going to try to make money and rip anyone off, I just would like to be able to give everyone the ability to ride this bike, including myself obviously. Back on topic;

If I could get enough people to put down say 500 bucks so that it's enough to pay for a large amount of the bike, say 70-80% of the bike, I could purchase it and begin to ship it around to those who paid for it. This would be the initial phase, and as sort of an added extra for putting down some money and waiting you would have the bike exclusively for one day, maybe two? (The numbers aren't carved in stone) until we cycle through everyone, then we can start at the track.

I would then like to send the bike across the country from track day to track day offering it to people to ride around the track for a couple hundred bucks, maybe $250?

ANYWAYS, the whole theme, after everyone who put down a deposit got their ride, would be "ride the Ducati MotoGP bike wahooo" sort of deal and I can do that until the bike is payed for, or until it works its way across the country sort of thing.

It would all be executed through a company, would be a rental bike just as you would rent a car, all you need to leave is your license info and your payment and that's it. This isn't a "time-share" deal because they always end up like crap and the title wil be in the companys name not my own or anyone else's.

Probably to be covered by insurance you would have to be at least 21, maybe 25 because of the bike and such. When the bike is in it's "track" phase I thought about sending my 1098 around too as to offer something else because I would imagine that most people would even like to ride it? Everything is in the idea and brainstorm stage, so now you can all kindly let me know what you think? And by that, I don't mean "What happens when someone poopoos on the bike!!!!!! DO I HAVE TO SIT IN POOPOO?!?!?!" I mean what is your opinion.

I would hope to have the support of ducati behind me in terms of fair pricing (maybe get a deal?) because I am basically touring their top of the line bike and I would imagine that it would influence buyers, not like many would buy a desmo but it would influence them to buy ducati and maybe after I do some "market research" if this turns out to be huge I might need two bikes so that if ones breaks (and we know how long it takes to get parts) we have another and we can rent both out sort of deal, know what I mean?

Anyways, I have to stop rambling. Remember, there is more to this idea than meets the eye it's been running around my brain for the past week and I've already started to iron out some details, so in terms of fine print don't bother concerning yourself. Just tell me what you think of the overall idea and comments/suggestions/if you would be up for the deposit or riding it at the track? Maybe once it gets rolling you can all ask your buddies and start some rumours at your next track days as a favour for me

Anyways, as always the opinions of you bunch is greatly appreciated, respect you guys a lot and thanks for even reading I suppose. Exit stage left.
 
Hicks,

No disrespect, but this is absurd! You're sixteen years old! Sixteen year old children don't have $75,000 dollars. That's a fact. If they have it, it's somebody else's money.

Sixteen year olds don't own companies. Children are not legally allowed to incorporate. Minors are not legally bound by contracts. Minors can't engage in contracts to ship motor vehicles anywhere.

Anybody who's ready to send a sixteen year old child $500.00 dollars on a crazy scheme like this needs to have their head examined.

Elton
 
Seriously dude. You are really beginning to get on my nerves.

I can name one sixteen year old that has 75 grand, and that's me. I really didn't want to have to do this, but I will.

I probably made more money last year, when I was FIFTEEN, than your entire firm. (if my memory serves me correctly you are a lawyer?) Seriously, you are correct it's not my money I invest but it's my profit that I spend at the end of the year. That's my allowance. Whatever I can make, I can spend and I think that is pretty damn cool, and pretty damn good allowance if you aren't a bleeding idiot. Quit being negative nelly, everything will be done the right way.

In fact, if you take your head out your ass, you would know that sixteen year told 'boys' can in fact direct corporations, with help from my father nonetheless but in the end I, legally, can operate companies just as you or your wrinkles. Get over who I am, if you knew me in person you would know I'm a very savvy venture capitalist and have a good number of operations not very unlike this one. All risky, all with potential, all great ideas with the right marketing and know-how.

If you think I'm going to somehow run off with five hundred dollars of yours, give your head a shake. I'm not a con artist and you'll see a buttload of paperwork before I ask you to write a check. If you don't want to ride a desmo, get off my damn thread and quit telling me what I can and cannot do. I directed a breeding operation at the age of twelve on one of my dads horse ranches and grossed more sales than any other year because of my marketing techniques and ability to reach my goal. I'm a focused individual, and I would appreciate it if you kept your comments to yourself. I'm also a very kind individual, helped a lot of people out of tight squeezes and done very well for myself even in 'childhood.' You, are a very ignorant individual. I would be careful and respect your younger generations. Maybe give them a little more and they might give back. I know me and my father live and work as a team, and we both benefit from our situation because we think and act alike. He always says he wished he had a mini-him so that he could do more work, make more money and do more deals, now after working with him on his deals I've started to branch off and start my own operations. Maybe you could learn a thing or two. The day that I reach 'Adulthood' then I suppose we can have this conversation again and discuss who has done what and maybe when I pass the bar you can work under me in my firm? If you havn't turned to dust by then.

Again, you are in fact very ignorant and have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've done, what I have or what I am capable of. This little scheme would be very small time compared to my big project this spring. That's why I said "I'm not trying to make money." Once again my generosity has gotten me into a pickle.

Anyone else? Maybe this wasn't such a good idea and I should just buy the bike for myself and ride around doing endos, wheelies and passing rows of cars. That would be acting a little more age-appropriate.
 
Okay, remember, you came to us asking for our collective opinions.

I think this is the stupidest, most absurd thing I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot.

If you want a Desmosedici, and are in the financial position you're so proud of bragging about, you don't need help in the form of $500 per person so YOU can own a bike.

I'm sorry son, but there IS the REALITY of what YOU can or can not do at your age, and you CANNOT own a corporation. Finally, if you are half as lucky and motivated as you claim to be, don't you think there are about 10 million smarter things you could do with your $80K "allowance" this year that will APPRECIATE instead of trying something like this? College fund perhaps? Real estate venture? Stock trading? The list goes on for MILES of better investments.

Expect, in all realizy, you'll need to spend at LEAST $500 on a set of tires at least once per track day, and if some of us ride it like we can you may need 2 sets of tires, because you don't want anyone to wadd it up because of tire meltdown, which a 200hp bike will do.

I can't believe I even wrote that, like this would ever happen.

Again, you asked for input, and my input is THIS DOES NOT WORK FOR ANYONE, NOT EVEN YOU! As a venture capitalist at 16, you should KNOW WHY!!! It WILL be crashed by someone and will take YEARS to fix, if it would ever even be the same again, at which time a repaired bike will be worth about $30K instead of your invested $80K. Oh wait, I mean OUR invested $80K, collectively, for your bike.

Flame on, but I think you need to talk to your dad about wiser investment decisions.

Again, see above quote. I wouldn't have told you if you didn't ask. If you're unable at 16 to handle criticism, you're not doing what you claim to be. What you're proposing is a BUSINESS venture, and you're looking at it like it's simply purchasing a bike. Go ask your dad what he thinks of this idea. It wouldn't work with 5 investors, let alone 200.

b
 
So it looks like I'm not getting the greatest response. Alrighty. Would have been nice to get some respect but I've been putting up with it for years. I guess I will always be limited by my age until the big ol' 21. Quite depressing, I'm not even close.

Blavenia, actually I hate those who brag but some people bring it out of me. Sorry everyone else had to hear that actually, I wish I would have stuck it in a PM.

Still makes me wonder, what kind of response I would have gotten if none of you knew I was 16 years old?

You are correct, and there is waaaay too many miscellaneous expenses that don't meet the eye until you hear it. Figures, because I'm really not a bike guy I'm just the financial guy and that's basically it I keep the details to others. Thank you for your input, more like thank you for what I got after I sifted through and took what I need. A lot of bullshit actually.

Seriously guys, Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm any less of a person. I'm most definitely not anywhere near the average 16 year old. How old were you when you first heard "Don't judge a book by it's cover"?

I don't know what is so difficult to comprehend, I said flat out:

"If you take your head out your ass, you would know that sixteen year told 'boys' can in fact direct corporations, with help from my father nonetheless but in the end I, legally, can operate companies just as you or your wrinkles."

I never said a damn word about owning them. I can have the position of President of a company just as I can have the position of bus boy at a restaurant. I told you to give up on the details, I've been working my way around being a baby for years.

I guess I should have stuck with "Hey who would pay 500 bucks to ride a desmo for a day" then you guys would keep the belittling to a minimum.

Luckily I've been putting up with it for years and I don't take anything to heart. I really do appreciate your input, even though your intentions were not positive, and I thank you for your time. Except that Elton guy, he's kind of a douchebag.

HA! There's some 16 year old name calling to top it off. Elton, you were not even discreet about it, you were just absolutely rude. Thanks for coming out though. I hope you don't treat your colleagues like that, would end your career as a lawyer quite abruptly one would think.
 
Hicks: if you read my 1st post in this thread, you'll see I had NO IDEA how old you were, and still told you the idea was STUPID!

Whether you're 16 or 60, your idea is horrible, plain and simple, but it's the teenager in you that has to result to braggadocious antics and immature namecalling because we don't agree with you.

Hopefully someday you will learn being told "you're wrong" isn't being "not positive" as you put it, but simply treating you like an adult and letting you know you have a bad idea.

As far as you "hating to brag", I don't see it in you. You're very proud of the fact that your daddy let's you spend his money. That's fine, but where would you be without your daddy footing the bills for your successes and failures? Remember, you're talking like you own a business, but in essence you're simply "spending your allowance".

Good luck to you, and I hope you've learned something. I will waste no more time trying to help you. You just don't get it, and shame on me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and treating you like an adult.
 
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