Who is more racist: Rand Paul or AlextheDroog?

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Back in the late 50's or early 60's, Arizona had a law that only landowners could vote on any law that would monetarily encumber real property. It got invalidated. Back then, there was an additional US coin. It was a Mil. It was used for a fractional payment of the property tax.
 
It's pathetic, idealistic, and simple to say "fuck off, I'll do business with whomever I choose"?
 
You CANNOT take examples of government-blessed corporations in our society and assume that these would exist in a free market.
 
Where did congress get the authority to make that law? They have to have the authority before they can legislate it.
 
If that's the case, then fuck your rights. I'm seeing disjointed messages here. BUt based on race? What about the rights of others to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Looks like an infringement of liberty to me, so fuck the business owner's "right" not to serve. If they don't want to serve based on race, they needn't be in business. What if there is nowhere else? What if it's the only town for 100 miles, and all the businesses refuse to serve someone because of their race?

There must be limitations.
 
Are racists common then?

Oh there is no trade, because there is not enough lipstick...
 
This conversation is so stupid it hurts. All dogma, no thought.

Supporting one right over another doesn't mean you support the trampling of either. Some fundies were rather upset about the closet reconstruction of the nation's Articles of Confederation into the Constitution.

People scream for the government to stay out of their business...unless there is a hurricane or oil spill or ILLEGAL immigrants or some other reason the government should or could have helped them but didn't.

Everyone points back to some infantile notion of what it all meant back in 'the day', when, you know, things were better/worse and stuff meant more/less.

Look, just because some old rich guys got together and told some other old rich guys to fuck off, doesn't mean the result was 'perfect'. It's been redone, amended, broken, bent, fingered, spit on, valorized to near demagogue status, been the propagandized by industry and the people 'of the people and for the people'. It's an inanimate object. It cannot think for us, and though it can be a preface or an affix, we still have to use our minds. Those old rich guys? Yeah...they had a cultural touchstone as well. Before they made the one we call our regime. They had the sense to question, ponder, strike boldly for new standards, and ultimately come up with the best combination of what was and what they thought should be.

It was not perfect. It also was not cognizant of the changes to come. Is this making sense? It, and by 'it' I mean everything we tritely attribute paternal status to, came from people. Real people. Real people have flaws. It has flaws. We have flaws. One does not correct the other.

We have to be active with it, not refer to it biblically and absolutely, but also not cheaply, flippantly, or dismissively. What we have in this nation only works if we work with it.

This means no right goes all-the-way. Nothing is set purely in stone, no matter how much weight we give it or want it to have. If America is to remain dynamic, then it requires the carrot, the stick, the speech, the promise, the lie, the good intentions, selfishness and even jingoism at times.

So what if you cannot ultimately express your ultimate freedom and tell ultimately anyone you want that they cannot give you paper or electronic currency for shit made in China, coated in lead, deep fried, served on white bread and denoted 'gourmet' by a less than honest sign. Slippery slopes should be designated as such, and when something of importance slides down them then used to argue against it. We cannot escape our roles, difficult as it may be in this day and age, in making 'it' work. We still have to think things through, and not simply to the proximity of an absolute.

The right to tell person x they cannot buy product y because of conceptions of race...race doesn't mean anything when you are having lunch, even if you're allergic to the idea that someone declares it meaningless beforehand. Americans have rights, remember? Individuality goes both ways, and your right to be a bigot does not trump another's right to eat a bigot's sandwich.
 
Both are acts of violence, in my mind, but one has to be tolerated. That freedom of ideas is what makes our country work, to whatever degree, so far. Sure, it's rude, hurtful, and could be easily argued as violence on others.

But so was Carlos Mencia.

Welcome to America. I don't want to tell people what to think or say. I just want to be able to buy that fucking sandwich if I have the money, the store is open, they have the sandwich, and am wearing shoes and a shirt.
 
Try again, illegal immigration is a direct result of the Federal government failing it's Constitutionally mandated duty to protect it's border and enforce it's laws. It has nothing to do with property rights or anything else for that matter.
 
I'll take that as a Randtoolish YES.

You have a right to believe in racism. No-one has the right to ACT on racism.

I think that's why they took the NO INDIANS ALLOWED signs down.
 
I'm not a libertarian anything.

But either it's my property or it's not. It can't be both mine and not mine.

If it's mine, then I have the right to control it, including who is allowed there, and what hours it's accessible to those members of the public who I allow.

If not, then somebody else necessarily controls it and access to it. Who?
 
No, it won't. That nuclear power plant won't have the resources and money to slaughter people when no one buys their products. Corporations would not be subsidized in my society either, unlike today.
 
Same way they require a business license? Or food safety, sign size, non-discrimination, noise etc.

Look, I'm not in the business, so I don't know all the details; just common sense non-racist armchair observations.
 
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