Where do you rank your political beliefs?
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Save your e-mails to me.........I just delete them little feller.......Alexander.
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Nope, they changed the law..........The citizens of Mass. voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, defining marriage as between a man and a woman..The judges in Mass. disregarded that vote by the people and made their own law.......
lucey lu lu
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I disagree with you.....I am neither a democrat or a republican but a conservative and I believe in small government, fiscal repsonsibility and states rights........I believe those are all libertarian views.....
I am also a strong social conservative so we may have some differences there....
I am also a strong social conservative so we may have some differences there....
I'm a conservative with regarRAB to fiscal policies and government involvement in peoples lives. Socially I'm kinda in the middle. I'm fairly openminded towarRAB the way other people want to live their lives (i.e. homosexuality, abortion), but when it comes to family values I'm fairly strict. You can have all the fun in the world, but there must always be discipline.
Red Rooster
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You, sir, are strange.
Oh yeah, I forgot to add a string of perioRAB.........
Oh yeah, I forgot to add a string of perioRAB.........
♥3oh!3Freak♥
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The Liberals it is directed at know who they are.....
georgina n
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Liberal? Conservative? Moderate?
Wake up! There are more than three political philosophies!
At the least, there are nine.
Wake up! There are more than three political philosophies!
At the least, there are nine.
Then why did you support Dubya? (i know you're about 5 years to young to vote) After all, he has presided over the largest government growth since WWII and hasn't veoted a single spending bill yet. What you say and what you do are obviously in contridiction.
Then you support high deficiets? After all, according GAO, the tax cuts account for 35% of the record high deficits. That is NOT fisically conservative at all. Fisical conservatives are not anti-taxes.
Once again, do you know who Bush SR is? Do you know how much he gutted the military? How many bases he closed, how many programs he axed? Seriously, your ignorance is appalling.
How are vouchers going to help a school system that is failing in the first place? Moving students from one bad school to a medicore one that is already overflowing? Yeah, that's a good idea. NOT.
Because it requires legislation to deny rights as well as deal with all of the 1000+ extra civil contract rights. Do you know small govermnet could get if we just did away with government marriage? Think about why I support getting rid of marriage entirely in the gov't and letting third party agencies deal with.
Well, that wouldn't be you as the conservative.
Ah, activist judges. Judges who;'s rulings displease a right wing consituancy. Apparently Greer who followed every Florida law in the Schivao case dealing with legal guardianship and right to die is a activist judge.
Then you support high deficiets? After all, according GAO, the tax cuts account for 35% of the record high deficits. That is NOT fisically conservative at all. Fisical conservatives are not anti-taxes.
Once again, do you know who Bush SR is? Do you know how much he gutted the military? How many bases he closed, how many programs he axed? Seriously, your ignorance is appalling.
How are vouchers going to help a school system that is failing in the first place? Moving students from one bad school to a medicore one that is already overflowing? Yeah, that's a good idea. NOT.
Because it requires legislation to deny rights as well as deal with all of the 1000+ extra civil contract rights. Do you know small govermnet could get if we just did away with government marriage? Think about why I support getting rid of marriage entirely in the gov't and letting third party agencies deal with.
Well, that wouldn't be you as the conservative.
Ah, activist judges. Judges who;'s rulings displease a right wing consituancy. Apparently Greer who followed every Florida law in the Schivao case dealing with legal guardianship and right to die is a activist judge.
Dexter Morgan
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I'm not sure about that. It doesn't seem to me that stopping A from doing something to B that B doesn't want, is imposing anything on A at all.
So what's that got to do with a majority?
I've yet to see an explanation of why something being supported by 50.1% of people makes it any different to being supported by 49.9% of people.
The Divine Right of the Majority appears no more plausible to me than the Divine Right of Kings.
I'm well aware of that.
So what's that got to do with a majority?
I've yet to see an explanation of why something being supported by 50.1% of people makes it any different to being supported by 49.9% of people.
The Divine Right of the Majority appears no more plausible to me than the Divine Right of Kings.
I'm well aware of that.
Ignoring the fact that you do this doesn't make you a conservative, in fact, it makes you a liberal.
Hannity and Bush are far from being conservative, and both seem to support a number of blantantly liberal practices. As for Kennedy, he;s liberal (or just crazy), Boxer i don't know enough, and Scalia...he's in a class all by himself.
I find it amusing that you can't define conservative in terms, but you consider people who have serious leftist/liberal streaks to be conservative at the same time calling a conservative practier "liberal."
Hannity and Bush are far from being conservative, and both seem to support a number of blantantly liberal practices. As for Kennedy, he;s liberal (or just crazy), Boxer i don't know enough, and Scalia...he's in a class all by himself.
I find it amusing that you can't define conservative in terms, but you consider people who have serious leftist/liberal streaks to be conservative at the same time calling a conservative practier "liberal."
Brittany J.
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Well you're using the conservative definition of small government (except for the military; the idea the we should have a strong military is technically liberal because it is a tax increase to provide increased government service, though a pure liberal would be less likely to use the military as he'd see it as a violation of individual liberties). The conservative definition of a small govenrment involves low taxes, low spending, low services, low regulations on businesses, etc. Taxation and business regulations are only one piece of the government's power.
The other piece of the government's power is to pass criminal laws and regulate moral disputes. The more crimes a government creates and the more a government forces people to live in a certain way, the more government is preventing people from living the way they want. For example, government which stops young people from seeing movies is a larger government than the same government which does not. A government which forces one man to be a slave to another is a larger government than one which does not. In this case, increased size of the government doesn't mean increased taxes, and it doesn't always mean increased paperwork, but it does always mean the government has increased control over how individuals live their lives. One government might control people so much that they are allowed only to wake up, go to work for 16 hours, then come home and go to sleep. Another government might allow people to do anything they want, including hurt other people. A government which is so large that it controls enough aspects of a person's life that their standard of living is decreased is called a tyranny.
This is true. They agree on half of the role of the government: the fiscal half. On the other hand, they also disagree on half: the moral half. Conservatives want a government that controls people, Libertarians want a government that doesn't. Populists are the opposite of Libertarians, and they also agree with Conservatives on half the issues.
But Liberals are the opposite of Conservatives, and they agree with Libertarians on half the issues as well.
I think a lot of people who are into politics think that Libertarians are more in agreement with themselves than with their opponents. I think this because I think liberals tend to care more about moral issues (abortion, gay rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion) while conservatives tend to care more about fiscal issues (less taxes, flatter tax rates, less restrictions on businesses).
The other piece of the government's power is to pass criminal laws and regulate moral disputes. The more crimes a government creates and the more a government forces people to live in a certain way, the more government is preventing people from living the way they want. For example, government which stops young people from seeing movies is a larger government than the same government which does not. A government which forces one man to be a slave to another is a larger government than one which does not. In this case, increased size of the government doesn't mean increased taxes, and it doesn't always mean increased paperwork, but it does always mean the government has increased control over how individuals live their lives. One government might control people so much that they are allowed only to wake up, go to work for 16 hours, then come home and go to sleep. Another government might allow people to do anything they want, including hurt other people. A government which is so large that it controls enough aspects of a person's life that their standard of living is decreased is called a tyranny.
This is true. They agree on half of the role of the government: the fiscal half. On the other hand, they also disagree on half: the moral half. Conservatives want a government that controls people, Libertarians want a government that doesn't. Populists are the opposite of Libertarians, and they also agree with Conservatives on half the issues.
But Liberals are the opposite of Conservatives, and they agree with Libertarians on half the issues as well.
I think a lot of people who are into politics think that Libertarians are more in agreement with themselves than with their opponents. I think this because I think liberals tend to care more about moral issues (abortion, gay rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion) while conservatives tend to care more about fiscal issues (less taxes, flatter tax rates, less restrictions on businesses).