When men bake cookies - humor

On 15/03/2011 7:26 PM, .Stu. wrote:

There are people in the writing business who have no qualms about taking
the work of other people and claiming it has their own. A friend of mine
wrote a script for a movie and tried to sell it. Everyone rejected it. I
had read the script and had a copy of it. AAMOF, he had my nephew in
mind to play the lead in it. About a year later, I saw the movie on
television and called to congratulate him. It wasn't his movie. It was
done by a company associated with someone he had sent the script to.
According to the movie credits, it had been written by a well known
Canadian writer and the most prominent lawyer in the country.

It was a movie about a girl whose boyfriend killed a cop in a botched
robbery. The girl was in the car and had no idea what was going on but
she was tried and convicted of first degree murder because of a recent
change in the law. Son of a gun That someone else would come up with the
same issue for a movie, use a script that follows the same time line and
uses a lot of the same dialogue.
 
Doug Freyburger wrote:




After Artusi was mentioned here a day or so ago, I checked and
found his works are not on Project Gutenberg. I figured they'd
be out of copyright... surely they are 120 or more years old.

Perhaps a work created in Italy has a longer copyright than one
created in the US or UK?


Steve
 
Steve Pope wrote:

Out of copyright, but Project Gutenberg material is exclusively the
result of volunteer efforts. If no one has scanned a book and processed
it through their site it will not be found there.
 
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:54:25 -0500, Stu wrote:

If you're talking about taking all the recipes that were included when you
bought a copy of MC (and a lot more that you've subsequently downloaded
from elsewhere) and re-published them verbatim on your website without
permission 'fair use' - no.

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Cheers
Chatty Cathy
 
ChattyCathy wrote:




There is no such thing as "a recipe that is fair use". A usage of a
recipe might be fair use. Or the usage might be permitted use for some
other reason than fair use (e.g. it is in the public domain, or the usage
is permitted by license... what does the license for MC say?)


Steve
 
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:01:25 +0000, Steve Pope wrote:



No idea, Steve; did some googling and the End User License Agreement
(EULA) for MC only seems to be available with the package once it has been
purchased.

There are enough posters here that have purchased MC - maybe somebody
could go through the EULA and enlighten us?

However, if there's something in there that allows users to re-publish the
8000+ recipes that come with the package on a website without permission
I'd be surprised... Just doesn't sound like good business sense to me -
because most of the other recipe software packages available (which are
all much of a muchness these days) can import MC recipes so why waste
money on a copy of MC?

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
 
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:01:25 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Steve Pope)
wrote:


In a nutshell,you can't re-engineer, disseminate, use for commercial use on a
computer in something like a cyber cafe, nothing is mentioned concerning the
contents I can see. Perhaps someone else see's something I don't, comments?
 
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:09:09 -0500, Stu wrote:




Well, I did some more googling and I found a (rather bulky) User Manual
for MasterCook version 6 published by ValuSoft (who "own" MC) that had the
EULA in the Appendices i.e. Appendix D, point 4 - which is on page 186.


http://www.valusoftsupport.com/library/patch/MasterCook & Betty Manual.PDF


4. Personal Use Recipe Reproduction Rights. You may reproduce and
distribute single recipes included with the Program, for personal,
non-commercial use, provided that i) no entire category of recipes or
entire cookbook may be so reproduced or distributed; and ii) such
reproduction or distribution contains no application files or other
non-recipe data. All copyright and related intellectual property notices
must be clearly reproduced on any reproduction or adaptation made.You may
reproduce recipes in paper periodicals, subject to the limitations that
(a) no single issue of such periodical may contain more than two (2) such
recipes and (b) the periodical publication may not be predominantly a
recipe book or a collection of recipes. You may reproduce recipes in
flyers, brochures and reports for physical media distribution with no
charge, subject to the limitations that (a) no distribution may occur in
quantities exceeding 500 copies, (b) no single issue of such periodical or
publication may contain more than two (2) recipes, and (c) the
distribution must not constitute a publication for sale or contain paid
advertising. You may use recipe displays and print-outs in presentations,
subject to the limitation that the distribution not be over the Internet,
a wide area network or other intranet, electronic mass media, television,
videotape, or public coaxial cable. Other than with respect to the limited
license rights granted hereunder, you acknowledge and agree that all
right, title and interest in and to the Programs shall remain with
ValuSoft and its licensors. ValuSoft and its licensors reserve all rights
to all other reproductions, modifications, or adaptations of the screen
displays and recipe print-outs. This reservation includes but is not
limited to: books, commercial software, multimedia kiosks, displays on
commercial, public, or private on-line services, bulletin boards, or the
Internet.


I sincerely doubt that much has changed in their EULA about reproducing
the recipes they provide with MC since then... I also hope that you
haven't taken it upon yourself to re-publish any of the Betty Crocker
recipes (and other recipes protected by copyright) on your website that
came with that version, which are probably still included/available for
*personal* use on newer versions of MC - or you could be in rather deep
doo-doo.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
 
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:00:17 +0200, ChattyCathy
wrote:


That obviously 'copies' International Copyright Law... individual
recipes cannot be copyrighted. You can copyright a compilation of
recipes such as a recipe book but none of the recipes contained
therein can be individually copyrighted. There is but one and only
one way to protect ones recipe... don't tell anyone. One can no more
copyright a recipe than one can patent fire.
 
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:16:40 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:






Well, that version of MasterCook included plenty of recipes from several
of Betty Crocker's published cookbooks (among other cookbook authors). If
you look in Appendix C on page 186 of the manual you'll see:


MasterCook 6

Sources - Cookbooks, Recipes & Images

Cookbooks:

Based upon "Betty Crocker's Best Christmas Cookbook," "Betty Crocker's
Healthy New Choices," "Betty Crocker's Good and Easy," "Betty Crocker's
Great Grilling," "Betty Crocker's Best-Loved Recipes," "Betty
Crocker's Best of Baking," "Betty Crocker's Cooking Basics," "Betty
Crocker's Best of Healthy and Hearty Cooking," "Betty Crocker's Cookie
Book."

Published under license from Macmillan Publishing USA. Copyright ?1998
General Mills, Inc. All rights Reserved.



You can see the rest of the cookbooks etc. for yourself in that manual...

Maybe you should take it up with ValuSoft's/Macmillan's/General Mills'
lawyers if you still think those recipes supplied with MasterCook which
were published under license are not protected by copyright?

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
 
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:25:03 +0200, ChattyCathy
wrote:


Perhaps they are, but I have authorization from ACH Food, Inc. who owns the
Betty Crocker website who in turn are owned by General Mills, also from
Fleishmans who own the Breadworld.com domain, and authorizations for any other
recipes that are attributed on site. So perhaps now Chatty will stop her cat
and mouse campaign before it gets out of hand.
 
On 16/03/2011 9:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:

Copyright lapses, in the US at least, at some predetermined time after
the death of the author. I thought it was a flat 70 years but I see from
Wikipedia that it can vary. It is not, however, an arbitrary figure.

Krypsis

From;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_1976

Term of protection

Previous copyright law set the duration of copyright protection at
twenty-eight years with a possibility of a twenty-eight year extension,
for a total maximum term of fifty-six years. The 1976 Act, however,
substantially increased the term of protection. Section 302 of the Act
extended protection to "a term consisting of the life of the author and
50 years after the author's death."[5] In addition, the Act created a
static seventy-five year term (dated from the date of publication) for
anonymous works, pseudonymous works, and works made for hire. The
extension term for works copyrighted before 1978 that had not already
entered the public domain was increased from twenty-eight years to
forty-seven years, giving a total term of seventy-five years. In 1998
the Copyright Term Extension Act further extended copyright protection
to the duration of the author's life plus seventy years for general
copyrights and to ninety-five years for works made for hire and works
copyrighted before 1978.
 
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:38:24 -0500, Stu wrote:



I was actually replying to Sheldon's post, but...



.... if you do have such authorization (which I sincerely doubt) all well
and good. However, I still think that if you removed all the content
you've "lifted" from other websites and/or other sources without
authorization, your website would basically be down to 2 - or maybe 3
pages.

BTW, if I'm looking for recipes on the Internet, I look at sites such as
epicurious.com, allrecipes.com and sometimes recipesource. com, and even
the Food Network site has some good ones - so why you're trying to
"re-invent the wheel" and maybe even get into sh*t for doing it, is
beyond me.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
 
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:43:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
wrote:




Actually I do have the authorizations. As for the other sites enjoy them, I
can't match the dollars thrown at the websites, you forget I pay for
everything.

If I have any recipes unattributed and someone claims ownership, all the author
or owner needs to do is provide proof of ownership and I'll remove it if they
wish.
 
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