What is worse a bird killed by an oil spill, or a bird killed by a wind turbine?

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Adam

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I'm trying to work out the moral equivalence, so I can stand on the 'moral high ground' and look down upon all you simpletons who do not think like I do.

Bonus question: How much petroleum do you think it takes to produce a wind turbine? (shipping, painting, plastic parts, installation, manufacturing, shipping of raw materials or manufacturing, mining for the metals, transporting those mined metals, mining for the magnetic parts, shipping those magnetic parts, drilling for the petroleum used to make parts of the wind turbines in the first place, shipment of the drilling platforms, transportation of the petroleum from those platforms...? How much would ya guess?)
Awww, no body wanted to answer the bonus... Don't worry I'll just make it a question then you can just avoid it altogether... ok libs...?
 
Well you could easily do a trial test yourself.

Simply run head first into an industrial fan and see what the damage is. Then drink a full quart of oil and see what happens.

My guess is that even though both methods are horrible ways to die, dying by way of a wind turbine would be rather quick while being slowly poisoned by oil would be a slow and painful way to die.

Grant it, their is some oil use in the production and manufacturing of wind turbines but that does not lead to a slow death to wild life from poisoning or the poisoning of the life that these animals live on.
 
The claim that turbines kill birds in great numbers is ridiculous. I lived in West Texas, currently the home of a lot of turbines--in fact, some small towns that nearly died when the oil bust happened during the early 80s have come back to life by putting up wind farms--and I saw for myself what the birds do with the turbines: they fly over or around them.

Birds have more to fear from cats than turbines.
 
No answer because I'm definitely not on the intelligence level as you Einstein. Do you even know the definition of ego?
 
let me see- are you talking in terms of volumes of bird kill?

Of course the oil spill will kill thousands
vs a single win turbine powered energy generator.
 
wind turbines dont kill birds anymore. where do you get your info from? The new big ones move to slow to kill birds.

the older faster spinning ones did kill birds

cars, trains and cats kill birds to. maybe we should ban them to?
 
How many people and animals die a year due to car crashes, deer getting hit, dogs, cats, even birds. Your question and your point does not hold a 'moral high ground' value. Because its all linked. As far as how much it takes to build wind turbines, I never researched how much work actually goes into erecting one of them, but I can tell you that it pays off after some time. Just like a car, how much oil does is take to run a truck or your car? Do you not get a oil change every so often? You see, its not about high ground here. Your trying to prove something that needs no proof. A bird that gets killed by a oil spill is equally worse, because its all mans doing. As far as guessing on how much goes in. I would say its the same as the car you drive and enjoy. How much goes into cars and truck. Way more than a wind turbine I would guess. You are against liberal ideas, but yet this is a very liberal question, with a liberal mind set. I cant stand the liberal mind set, so i guess you got your ass handed to you by your own kind.

Your effort in trying to get a point across is decent, but your motive was not to prove anything but your intelligences greater than everyone else, which is not very intelligent, and thats why the world is the way it is.
 
I don't want this guy to reproduce, someone who has no work because the oil spill; please send this man a few thousand dead birds to fuck.

The petroleum it takes to make the turbines (logically it takes some, don't lie hippies) is hard to compare to to the amount it takes to run this country by means used today.


Edit: I think the main questions been answered enough but here's my stance: things die, live with it.
 
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