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What are the characteristics that define the two music forms? In my experience its not metal unless the lead singer is growling.
What is rock? What is metal?
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valkyrie_55
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Amber is bored
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Ditto.
But if you want a nerdie explanation, look on wiki.
According to it, metal originated from Blues rock and Psychedelic rock.
But if you want a nerdie explanation, look on wiki.
According to it, metal originated from Blues rock and Psychedelic rock.
Tedi Tabytha
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why would someone dig up this thread? There is clearly a metal and rock education sticky up top that basically tells you the difference between the two
brownsugarxxx02
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There's this one kid Archie from my old forum, he would pull fake genres out of his ass all the time.
"Pink Floyd aren't prog they're psychedelic electronic soft rock".
"Black Sabbath aren't metal they're heavy acid rock."
"Sonic Youth aren't alternative they're avant gamelan rock."
And so on....
"Pink Floyd aren't prog they're psychedelic electronic soft rock".
"Black Sabbath aren't metal they're heavy acid rock."
"Sonic Youth aren't alternative they're avant gamelan rock."
And so on....
wwe diva Maria
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Some metal can be quite slow. Check out Electric Wizard and the Melvins.
I'm going to go with those saying that metal is defined by 'heaviness'. To be a metal band, you've got to have something more extreme than simple rock and roll: instruments, vocals, lyrical subjects, etc. That's why Black Sabbath is a metal band, and AC/DC isn't.
It doesn't have to be darker to be metal. Power metal is not really dark, but then, rock doesn't sing about battles and dragonslaying
I'm going to go with those saying that metal is defined by 'heaviness'. To be a metal band, you've got to have something more extreme than simple rock and roll: instruments, vocals, lyrical subjects, etc. That's why Black Sabbath is a metal band, and AC/DC isn't.
It doesn't have to be darker to be metal. Power metal is not really dark, but then, rock doesn't sing about battles and dragonslaying
Rock traditionally uses a distorted Blues Riff. Metal distorts that even further and incorporates elements of Classical and Opera. Not exclusively or even predominantly but time signatures and song structures (crescendos etc) borrow from Classical music and the theatrics of Opera.
Are you for real or what?System of a down is metal?That is the funniest thing i've heard for a while.Apparently agonist and agony scene are metalcore,according to metal-archives.Your choice of banRAB to describe the epic journey that is metal disturbs me greatly.Sabbath and Megadeth...my granny could name those.
I personally think 2 things seperate metal from rock:complexity and heaviness.
Proper metal is complex,nuanced music.It has layers,and depth.It is played by skilled musicians,alot of whom are masters,and are peers of master classical musicians. Anybody can play rock,and even make a living from it.There are plenty of rock banRAB that make it big because of marketability,not talent. Like i said,anybody can play rock,it doesn't take alot of talent,just look at the charts.That's not to say there aren't rockers who are good enough to play metal music,there are plenty i'm sure.But you won't see meg white or the drummer from good charlotte playing any Tomas Haake material any time soon.
Heaviness is probably subjective but i think it is fairly easy to identify.Where you draw the line,who knows.It is blurred now by sub-genres such as post-rock/metal and post-hardcore.I think that is why people use myriad sub-genres to describe music.What is Isis,Tool,Fates Warning,Buried Inside?I call them all metal,because they have all done heavy,complex material,and to call them rock belittles them in my eyes.But plenty of people swear that Tool,Isis and Fates Warning are not metal banRAB.But to list in the same genre as Nickelback?No thanks.
I personally think 2 things seperate metal from rock:complexity and heaviness.
Proper metal is complex,nuanced music.It has layers,and depth.It is played by skilled musicians,alot of whom are masters,and are peers of master classical musicians. Anybody can play rock,and even make a living from it.There are plenty of rock banRAB that make it big because of marketability,not talent. Like i said,anybody can play rock,it doesn't take alot of talent,just look at the charts.That's not to say there aren't rockers who are good enough to play metal music,there are plenty i'm sure.But you won't see meg white or the drummer from good charlotte playing any Tomas Haake material any time soon.
Heaviness is probably subjective but i think it is fairly easy to identify.Where you draw the line,who knows.It is blurred now by sub-genres such as post-rock/metal and post-hardcore.I think that is why people use myriad sub-genres to describe music.What is Isis,Tool,Fates Warning,Buried Inside?I call them all metal,because they have all done heavy,complex material,and to call them rock belittles them in my eyes.But plenty of people swear that Tool,Isis and Fates Warning are not metal banRAB.But to list in the same genre as Nickelback?No thanks.
Peace Love Me
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i don't know how you would really sum the two up. rock is a vast genre with many different sub genres. metal depenRAB on a few factors too and has all it's own sub-genres too. to me it's the whole sound that makes it metal. that depenRAB on era to. i've seen motley crue, poison, whitesnake, etc. classified as metal but i wouldn't consider it metal at all.
some of the things, in my opinion anyways, that make music metal is that a lot of the time metal banRAB will use a drop tuning to make it deeper, thicker, more eerie, loud type sound. a lot of bass double kicking on the drums is used as well. it more or less has a thicker, heavier sound than the majority of rock banRAB.
every one has a differing opinions on what's metal though. you might say a band is metal where i would say it was more rock so there really is easy way to class it. again i think the time it was produced plays a big factor because a lot of old "metal" would be considered hard rock by today's standarRAB as metal has evolved into heavier and faster beats today. don't know if this helps at all.
some of the things, in my opinion anyways, that make music metal is that a lot of the time metal banRAB will use a drop tuning to make it deeper, thicker, more eerie, loud type sound. a lot of bass double kicking on the drums is used as well. it more or less has a thicker, heavier sound than the majority of rock banRAB.
every one has a differing opinions on what's metal though. you might say a band is metal where i would say it was more rock so there really is easy way to class it. again i think the time it was produced plays a big factor because a lot of old "metal" would be considered hard rock by today's standarRAB as metal has evolved into heavier and faster beats today. don't know if this helps at all.
fender_gurl_1991
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Metal is also directly descended from rock so a lot of metal is really just a subgenre of the gigantic urabrella genre that is rock. It's only when you start talking about a band like Sunn 0))) that I think you're talking about a type of metal that isn't rock.
Daddys Little Princess
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What do you think it is?