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I think you've drawn the right inferences, Gfactor. We like the Pit being funny, but funny only in the sense of clever snark and posts that are funny in the same way that B-rated movies about outter space from the late 1950s are funny. Like MST3K stuff. Or threads that tell a story but are funny in a pittish way, like the night-balloon OP (which I realize was stolen, but I just mean like that.)

But stuff that's funny in the sense of silliness or joke telling or that kind of stuff does belong elsewhere, in my opion.

Of course, all of this is my opinion, which ain't worth two cents.
 
2. Pit as entertainment. "Selling tickets" "Pure evil and rants only if really entertaining."

On this point, here are the subjects on the first page of the August Mini-rants thread:

Sciatica
College sucks
Child raising sucks
Stolen tomatoes
Hives
Coworkers suck
Broken appliances
Tomatoes, again
India is loud
Toliet clogging stools
Road work
Lice
Roommates suck
Chocolate Chip Cookies
Texting
College sucks, Pt II
Message boards suck/no grocery store
Paying alimony sucks
Kitten Shit (biggest clue yet that it should be in MPSIMS, with the other 5 million kitty threads)
Husband sucks
Parents suck

I submit that each and every one of these posts are MUNDANE AND POINTLESS. Not a one was even vaguely close to "entertaining", by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, a few of them had only an extra word or three beyond my summation above, i.e. "X is annoying". That's just whining.

If you won't move Mini-Rants to MPSIMS, will you at least edit the title?

"August Whiners Club" is about right.
 
But it's one thread--if mini-rants are one thread, who gives a damn?

My concern is that there's something like (I didn't count, just estimated) 19/25 top pit threads are unquestionably political.

Seriously G- why not force them into one single "Political rants" thread and give every other topic some breathing room?
 
But it's one thread--if mini-rants are one thread, who gives a damn?

My concern is that there's something like (I didn't count, just estimated) 19/25 top pit threads are unquestionably political.

Seriously G- why not force them into one single "Political rants" thread and give every other topic some breathing room?

As I already said, I think it's good that Mini-Rants at least confines it to one thread. But then you get those who somehow think that their OP isn't "Mini" enough, so to speak, and open a whole new Pit thread, and lameness ensues.

My examples are not far off. Some tool did Pit the sandwich they got for lunch, for the love of OG. Why is that bullshit in the PIT? There's MPSIMS, there's livejournal, and there's STFU. Pick one.

If we add a Political Rants thread, what else would go in the Pit? The weekly pitting of Der Trihs? Between Mini-Rants and Political Rants, there's almost nothing left.
 
@Fenris

Fen, I'm trying to grab onto your thought process here. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that your statistics are correct: more than 75% of threads on the Pit front page are political in nature. Suppose further that, as you suggest, we consolidate all those threads into one.

Then the question I have is, where does the replacement material come from? There will automatically be 3/4 of the threads on the front page that are zombie threads (having heretofore fallen to page 2
 
There's been a few times I've had ideas for Pit Threads, come in here to start them, seen that 75% of the threads are political, realised that no-one is going to read my thread (and those that do will just cause a pile-on), so I haven't bothered. I'm sure others feel the same way.

Politics is BORING to most people. That's just how it is. We (as a board) are the weird ones with a corps of politically active and interested posters. The remaining 98% of the posters here really, really don't give a shit about politics.

But seeing as this is the Pit, I'm going to say something controversial:

I think the people who are objecting to a separate politics forum are doing so because they know that if it happens, they'll be the only ones in there and then they can't force their (ITHO) brilliant and insightful punditry or outrage on everyone else.

Sure, you can say "Don't read politics threads if you don't like them" (which is why I don't read political threads), but that effectively amounts to "Don't come into the Pit if you don't like politics". It's bad enough GD is politics-exclusive for the most part, we don't need The Pit that way as well.

That's two freaking forums devoted almost exclusively to Politics. Surely it's patently obvious they deserve their own forum?
 
But... but... your facts aren't right, are they? Kids in restrooms has pages and pages of posts with thousands of views. Online shopping outside the US has 2 pages. Intelligent design has 4 pages. Hell, stealing focus has 2 pages. And Stoid's bitch thread has 7. On what basis do you claim that no one would be interested in your ideas. What are they?
 
But... but... your facts aren't right, are they? Kids in restrooms has pages and pages of posts with thousands of views. Online shopping outside the US has 2 pages. Intelligent design has 4 pages. Hell, stealing focus has 2 pages. And Stoid's bitch thread has 7. On what basis do you claim that no one would be interested in your ideas. What are they?

Depends on what I'm thinking about Pitting at the time. I'd like to Pit the State Government for being useless and massively upping the cost on electricity and car registration and wanting to sell off most of the State-run assets and enterprises, as well as making all the Toll Roads "prepay only", but I'm not going to for two reasons:

1. That's a political thread and I don't want to clutter The Pit up with more political stuff; and

2. No-one outside Queensland cares, so why bother ranting about it on a predominantly US messageboard?

I recently did a Pit Thread about how hard it was to get an MP3 player that wasn't an iPod and got piled on, despite explaining you can't order them online because of prohibitive shipping costs (as outlined in the current thread about online shopping outside the US), and then got told iPod clearly weren't monopolising the MP3 player market in Australia despite the near impossibility of obtaining an equivalent product from a competing brand here. You can see how that sort of thing makes me think "Is it really worth posting this rant?" now, and increasingly I find the answer is "No".
 
Sure, you can say "Don't read politics threads if you don't like them" (which is why I don't read political threads), but that effectively amounts to "Don't come into the Pit if you don't like politics".
I don't see how one follows the other. Apparently it is just too much trouble to scroll past the thread titles that don't interest you?

I suspect political threads actually interest you a lot, but you don't like the feelings they arouse in you, which you would rather just avoid by not having to look. I don't see why we should have to accomodate your lack of willpower.
 
I don't see how one follows the other. Apparently it is just too much trouble to scroll past the thread titles that don't interest you?

Like I said, I do scroll past those threads, and subsequently that's most of The Pit & GD out of commission from a participation point of view.

I suspect political threads actually interest you a lot, but you don't like the feelings they arouse in you, which you would rather just avoid by not having to look. I don't see why we should have to accomodate your lack of willpower.

I'm not American- as I'm getting sick of explaining- and so I have no interest in your politics at all. I have no idea who 90% of the people being discussed in most of the political threads are, without resorting to Wikipedia. So no, it has nothing to do with not liking what I allegedly see in threads I'm not reading anyway.
 
Or are you counting on people rushing in to fill the void kind of thing.

Yup.

Look back to the early days of the pit. It was always the fastest moving forum (no stats, just memories confirmed by one mod in an off-board conversation) and it rarely had politics. Post-9/11 had a brief spate of them, but they died off. It wasn't until much later than the Pit became GD-lite.

I think everyone agrees (and admins here have confirmed it) that for whatever weird psychological quirk, people tend to read and respond mostly to what's on the first page. Since all it takes is a bunch of mindless "U"/"No, U" responses in those "Whatever the unspeakable outrage of the micro-second is" threads to bump everything off the

Remember "The Telemarketer Speaks And I Respond" thread? That was an exceptional thread, but it was the norm for the Pit. Rants were in that category-funny, scathing, about stuff that really pissed off an individual.

There's no room for that now with the Reeder-with-more-words threads.
 
I don't see how one follows the other. Apparently it is just too much trouble to scroll past the thread titles that don't interest you?

I suspect political threads actually interest you a lot, but you don't like the feelings they arouse in you, which you would rather just avoid by not having to look. I don't see why we should have to accomodate your lack of willpower.

Because there are too many--they're pushing everything else off. It's like saying "If you don't like kudzu, don't look at it. Look at the rest of your garden." when there's nothing but kudzu there because it's crowded out everything else.
 
Or, in our case, morning glories. Shit, they tried to choke out everything we were growing, and we had to keep them conscientiously pulled back. So I know what you mean.

Of course, you have to wonder where these morning glories (or kudzu) came from. It's hard to trace the roots because they plant roots as they spread. These political posts — where did they all come from, and why now? Why so suddenly and prolifically?

I think the answer might lie with the current state of American politics. I can sympathise with people like Martini, who have no interest in it. And in your case, Fen, I don't think it's so much a lack of interest as it is the sheer overwhelming numbers of them. And it is a legitimate question: why so many?

Part of the answer, I think, is that we have the most activist administration since Roosevelt. So much is happening so fast. There isn't a day that has gone by since Obama took office that he hasn't either held a press conference or a town hall meeting or photo op, or announced an appointment or a new program, not just about piddly shit, but about very important things like the economy, the war, and health care. Just to name a couple.

Of course, I think it's compounded by the fact that Republican opposition to him is so unbelievably strong. And much of it is based on nothing more than political expediency. They want him to fail so they can take back the offices they once held. In the process, they are misleading the people by lying or misrepresenting either what the president has proposed, or else how Congress is working with him.

The reason this angers people so much is because, for once, these really are issues that affect them personally. I've even pitted the flaw in the Obama middle-class tax-cut plan that might cause people to owe hundreds of dollars of taxes that they weren't aware they owe come next year when they fill out their tax forms. This had such an effect on my wife and me, that we had to consult with our accountant, change our W4 forms at work, and put away enough money to cover the penalty just in case. Why isn't that worth pitting?

Now, granted, not every pitting is quite so personal. "Alaska hates Sarah Palin" affects few of us in and of itself, but as that discussion developed, people turned it into personal matters. Her meddling and idiocy, combined with the outside chance that she actually could take the presidency away from Obama in 2012, is so utterly frightening that it is understandable why people would react to her on a visceral and personal level.

But even setting all that aside, it is obvious that there is a lot of interest on the board, from both the post counts and the views. In the meantime, there is nothing to stop people from opening a thread about anything they want. (And I've already pointed out some very successful non-political threads.) So, your point kind of gets lost in this fact: if Martini couldn't give a damn about American politics (even though it affects him, just as it affects everyone in the world), what's stopping him from opening a pit thread of his own? He says no one will be interested (and by the way, the thread he's thinking about is political in nature), but if it's a good rant, people will pop in to read and post pretty much no matter what it's about.

And the same goes for you, frankly. Nothing is stopping you from opening a thread about telemarketers or any other topic of interest to you. It's not that I think you are disingenuous, but if you're not willing to put your posting where your mouth is, so to speak, then why should anyone take you seriously? In other words, it's as though you and Martini want other people to do your work for you. And yet, nobody is there. If they were, they'd be opening threads. Do you see how there's a bit of a disconnect there?
 
And the same goes for you, frankly. Nothing is stopping you from opening a thread about telemarketers or any other topic of interest to you. It's not that I think you are disingenuous, but if you're not willing to put your posting where your mouth is, so to speak, then why should anyone take you seriously? In other words, it's as though you and Martini want other people to do your work for you. And yet, nobody is there. If they were, they'd be opening threads. Do you see how there's a bit of a disconnect there?
No.

Because at the moment, it's not worth it.

It takes time and energy to compose a decent pit thread. And that thread will be off the front page in hours because it takes no time to respond to a political thread with "No, U!" and all it takes is one poster bopping into each of the political threads and saying "Dummy-crats/Repugnicans SUK" to drop a non-political thread off the front page.

Frank posted a decent rant last night that's dropped off the front page already. After something like 8 hours.

Condense the political threads to one general "Everyone's side by mine SUCKS and here's what they're doing in August" thread and give other threads room to grow.

Again, without front-page exposure, threads won't thrive. And watching the same few dozen or so people monopolize the front page of The Pit for months on end with an endless litany of the outrage-of-the-minute*, it's pointless to even try.

*remember when there were like 5 threads outraged about Sarah Palin's daughter's fiancee's haircut? Neither does anyone else.
 
No.

Because at the moment, it's not worth it.

It takes time and energy to compose a decent pit thread. And that thread will be off the front page in hours because it takes no time to respond to a political thread with "No, U!" and all it takes is one poster bopping into each of the political threads and saying "Dummy-crats/Repugnicans SUK" to drop a non-political thread off the front page.

Absolutely. And unlike some of the people on the boards, I don't spend all day looking for things to be outraged about so I can rush to my computer and Pit them. But sometimes something will happen that I think "I'd like to vent about that and perhaps some other people will agree with me", but when I eventually get around to composing a post, I see that the Pit is full of US Political stuff that's going on for pages, and I think "You know what? I think I'll go for a walk or read a book instead."

Condense the political threads to one general "Everyone's side by mine SUCKS and here's what they're doing in August" thread and give other threads room to grow.

Again, without front-page exposure, threads won't thrive. And watching the same few dozen or so people monopolize the front page of The Pit for months on end with an endless litany of the outrage-of-the-minute*, it's pointless to even try.

This is an excellent idea and one I wholeheartedly agree with. Frankly, I'm not seeing any concession from the pundits here- they want to monopolise two forums on the messageboard and any suggestion that maybe they'd like to keep it in one place is shouted down with "If you don't like it, don't read them!", which reminds me of that Far Side Cartoon entitled "Hell's Video Library" in which every movie is Ishtar.
 
Just had sort of a wild idea that I thought I'd throw out regarding the political threads. Since there won't be a political forum and political threads will still be in GD, that means that the Pit political threads can't be moved into a political forum. And since the political threads are already started here, they likely won't be moved back to GD.

So how about a rule that political threads can't be started in the Pit? They can be moved to the Pit by the mods if they get too heated for GD, but they have to start in GD first.

Political threads in the Pit seem to be a subset of RO with a link to a political news article instead of a criminal one.

Just a thought.
 
@Gfactor

Very much like I said in the ATMB thread, where statistics are being tabulated (often depending on point of view), I'm satisfied if you just make the calls based on your gut feeling. But clearly, politics does not comprise 75% of Pit posts, and Frank's rant is back on page 1. At some point, someone must decide what stays and what gets moved and what gets closed. There is no reason that I or Fenris or anyone else should decide that over you. You're the mod. You've demonstrated an even temperament and a willingness to listen to the posters. If we can't trust you, then we can't trust anyone. Maybe it's time for you to set some guidelines (not necessarily rules) and then let us post. Use your guidelines along with your personal judgment to make the decisions. That would suit me. Whether it would suit others, maybe they'll chime in.
 
As of about 2:50.

I deleted moved threads 'cause...they're moved. And I went up to 35 this time to make sure I got the batch with Frank's thread.

01) Nut With Gun at Town Hall
political

02) Glad to see the Republicans are still running Congress
political

03) Stale Leftovers: The August Mini-Rants Thread

04) Who's stupidest -- Bush haters or Obama worshipers?
political

05) Mamas, don't follow your babies into the men's room

06) Prohibition, Prospective Profit Prompt Pothead to Post.
political

07) Hey, druggies! Screw you.
(maybe)

08) I'm tired of Socialized Fire Fighting!
political

09) Equal time: Who's stupider - Obama haters or Bush (fils) supporters?
political

10) Westboro Baptist at it again
(maybe)

11) I am tired of all these dumbass bitches.

12) Getting into Web-based database geek jobs: this process sucks!

13) begbert2 cannot debate like an adult

14) "Work" related: just really really need to rant

15) RO: Converting a Hindu to Christianity

16) Anything else you motherfuckers need?
political

17) Oh! What a Lovely [Afghanistan] War
political

18) Sea Shepherds; Innefectual self-important dipshits
political

19) Fear of the Socialism Bogeyman is a Strawman
political

20) Woman fined $1.9 million for illegal song downloads
political

21) Huh. Whole Foods right wing. Who knew?
political

22) I quit my job and I end up in the cuckoo's nest!

23) Shouldn't we just murder the "death-panel" idiots?
political

24) Eyeball glass, Cellulits, Shingles, MRSA, Pulmonary Embolisim with a cherry on top.

25) Death Panelist threatens the lives of Michelle, Malia and Sasha
political

26) The numbnut who had the freakout at the Arlen Specter townhall meeting
political

27) THEY are the fascists, the traitors and the anti-ameircan liars
political

28) I pit online shopping from outside the US (long, sweary, possibly incoherent)

29) Disrupting Town Hall Meetings
political

30) Limbaugh: "Hitler, Lenin, Stalin were all men of the left"
political

31)Palin says Obama would kill her baby
political

32) I pit whatever technology shoves my home city in my face.

33) Shreveport Officer Wiley Willis reinstated
political

34) Left Bank Books

35) MSNBC: Socialist is the new 'n' word
political

So--21 out of 35 at the moment, 23 if you're less generous about it. And it changes from minute to minute, but it's always more than half.
 
So--21 out of 35 at the moment, 23 if you're less generous about it. And it changes from minute to minute, but it's always more than half.
I disagree with several of your picks on political content, but the point is, so what if half are politics? Why is half too much?
 
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