What is it with 'exclusive' torrents?

[curiouswoman]

i fail to see the big difference between conception of exclusive torrents and conception of private trackers in general. both are oriented to organise better conditions of sharing by placing the whole process in limited and controllable atmosphere, both have the goals to create something like black holes, places that will automatically attract uploads, seeding and all related stuff

 

[*Isabella*]

It all ends up with these people with ratios of around 16 complaining about how the guy with the seedbox and a ratio of 1.13 is "overseeding"

How can anyone with a ratio of around 16 complain about anyone else overseeding? :lol:

 

[SHOaks]

This is kinda not really what you're talking about but if you're talking about say music home rips that you don't want shared anywhere else (it's common at P's and E***o) - it's for security, mainly. I personally hate exclusive sharing myself, and my true passion lies in public and open sharing, but you've got to respect other people's wishes if you want to partake in the same community where they're releasing that exclusive content. I'd rather take part in a community and benefit from what I can get out of it and follow the rules and (reluctantly) resist my urges to share it with others outside the allowed circle, than to A. break the rules and face the constant risk of getting caught and then no longer benefiting from the content or B. not taking part in the first place due to my preference for open sharing - and missing out all along.

For me this applies to the Scene, too - in principle. They're just an exclusive community (like any other file sharing community or network) which just so happens to release extremely desirable material yet don't condone sharing of that material outside that community - for security.

And I also know of physical private music trading circles, ones with exclusive content shared between a small group of elite/lucky fellows within a certain area of interest (there used to be a lot more of them before p2p started to proliferate) and they have the exact same principle - they don't want to draw the attention of authorities and be completely underground.

Another situation where you can see wishes of exclusivity (and this one is resonable imo, but still tough to accept since I love the "sharing for all" concept) - is that there's a special crack or hacked version/workaround of a program and if the knowledge of that crack were too public, the content creators would then release an update to counter that hack or workaround. This is not uncommon in game/console cracks and some software cracks that I have seen. A lot of stuff even today exists that the public is completely oblivious to.

 

[' The Beast']

To be honest... I don't even see an argument FOR exclusivity...

Either it's some sort of 'Scene Pack' which has been thrown together and claimed as a Trackers own release.... which is crap as not only is it just a collection of already available releases, but it's also stolen as well...

OR

It's an encoders own encode, which has been produced from a stolen source, then uploaded in a community initially designed for sharing... how can you claim exclusivity for that? As I said earlier... if you don't want your work made available elsewhere then either don't encode, or don't release it into an environment designed for 'sharing'... I'm pretty sure someone else will encode it who doesn't care if there work is released in other places.

I really don't see how anyone can steal something then moan if it gets 'stolen' from them... I'd love the logic explained to me :lol: The only caveat I would put on that would be that the file names should at least stay the same... people renaming releases/encodes/files to look like their own work is a big no-no :nono:

 

[Katrina L]

You talk like someone makes you join sites with exclusive content or packs. Don't download it and be happy.

I totally disagree with the whole 'exclusivity' thing. BT is all about sharing what you have... you make reference to the OP not being forced to join sites where 'exclusive' packs etc are and it being his choice... What about the encoders?

If they wanna encode things and put them 'out there' in BT world... why should the rules of BT change to suit the encoder? If they don't want their work spread, then either a) Don't encode, or b) Don't release it into an environment created to encourage sharing.

I agree with the OP about it being laughable for people to pirate releases from all the big named studios, and then have the cheek to 'claim them' as their own, and to decide who can and can't download it i.e. only if you are a member of such and such a site... it's a complete nonsense :lol:

 

[summer69]

i fail to see the big difference between conception of exclusive torrents and conception of private trackers in general. both are oriented to organize better conditions of sharing by placing the whole process in limited and controllable atmosphere, both have the goals to create something like black holes, places that will automatically attract uploads, seeding and all related stuff

I'm sorry but I don't see what limiting availability has to do with sharing.If you want to make a case for security fine,.If you wish to say that it forces certain individuals not inclined to otherwise do it fine but as soon as you started to use words like limited and controlled in regards to sharing you lost me.

Same argument regarding controlling content of forums .To limit is to deny the whole point.

 

[YesNo]

To be honest... I don't even see an argument FOR exclusivity...

Either it's some sort of 'Scene Pack' which has been thrown together and claimed as a Trackers own release.... which is crap as not only is it just a collection of already available releases, but it's also stolen as well...

OR

It's an encoders own encode, which has been produced from a stolen source, then uploaded in a community initially designed for sharing... how can you claim exclusivity for that? As I said earlier... if you don't want your work made available elsewhere then either don't encode, or don't release it into an environment designed for 'sharing'... I'm pretty sure someone else will encode it who doesn't care if there work is released in other places.

I really don't see how anyone can steal something then moan if it gets 'stolen' from them... I'd love the logic explained to me :lol: The only caveat I would put on that would be that the file names should at least stay the same... people renaming releases/encodes/files to look like their own work is a big no-no :nono:

My EXACT point. Thanks.

 

[Jylmu Raouls]

Yes, I think that any other reason for exclusivity other than security and safety is stupid and I vehemently disagree - any other reassons I can think of are just pompous. Even still, I respect the wishes of others. After all, they DID provide the content for us.

The only pratice which should be standard across all communities, is stating who the original ripper was. That's nothing more than standard courtesy and quality of sharing and is all I ever ask people who share my own rips elsewhere to do. Even then, I don't throw a tantrum if they didn't, because what matters is that people get the music. And the only real reasosn is so that people know decent info about the rip (and in my case, that it was a good rip since I did it ). It's for quality of sharing, I don't even require the courtesy of thanking me for the original work. People always do anyway.

Also a cancer in the file sharing world, is pride and status...some releasers can just become so full of themselves, and I HATE it when I see someone do a rip that's superior to another's and that other person sees it as 'competition'. Or competition between communities...

Humility is to be treasured and is a natural part of the sharing spirit. I know other uploaders/staffers with the same humble attitude and I quietly LOVE them for it.

Gosh...so many things which can corrupt the noble concept of sharing things with each other...money, status, pride, jealousy, legality...All should be avoided as much as possible so that nothing stands in between what should be our greatest ideal.

The Scene had the same spirit of 'public sharing' once...it's only once the FBI stepped in and put Sceners in jail from the 90s onwards that they completely changed and became uber security-focused. I don't blame them...but still wish that things could be more decentralised official public sharing of the latest movies and music and software. Power in numbers? :|...anyway I love seeing p2p groups release 0-day material and I like seeing when a scene group becomes a p2p group (because they want to)...it's nice and means they are prepared to risk it and care more about sharing with others. I find the russians very much have this attitude, they have a great empire of public cracking and music/movie sharing, they almost don't even need the scene...almost.

if you steal exclusive pack with a content stolen from scene, it's already triple stealing

But at least it gets less and less evil as you go down the chain ...or is it more evil?

 

[JKicks]

Nice post dvdasacd, something for everyone to think about.

 

[Jenr]

care to link me to that funny post ca_aok?
If someone uploads something from me I am totally fine with not getting any credit as long as he doesnt say he did it. I also try to stay away from anything exclusive, if its not too interesting, which very rarely is the case. When a release from ths for instance hits a public tracker, I can understand, that its annoying bc it just draws too much attention.
e: thx for the link, wont go through 13 pages to find that hilarious post though, I remember I took a look at that thread before ofc.. and I am one of the guys with < 50 KB/s upspeed..

 

[☮king☮]

Yes I agree.

Ideally, the motivation behind ripping should be sharing.

But often its not really. It's an ego trip, so uploaders dislike it when their rips are shared oRABite and they dont get the recognition.

Sites pander to these ego trips when they mark rips as exclusive because it keeps the uploaders happy so they get more content.

Personally, the thanks I get when I upload to a site mean a lot. But I get as much satisfaction in knowing that my rips will spread beyond the site and bring pleasure to many other people too who have never heard of my screename.

After all, the people at the site I upload to arent any less anonymous than any other people who eventually get the file at other sites.