What is it with 'exclusive' torrents?

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Burnsy said:
How can anyone with a ratio of around 16 complain about anyone else overseeding? :lol:
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I could link you to actual forum posts if you were a member where I was thinking ;) I understood the general idea as being "well my ratio is that high because of how many albums I upload, these overseeders are stealing the upload from my own torrents".
 
IdolEyes787 said:
I'm sorry but I don't see what limiting availability has to do with sharing.If you want to make a case for security fine,.If you wish to say that it forces certain individuals not inclined to otherwise do it fine but as soon as you started to use words like limited and controlled in regards to sharing you lost me.

Same argument regarding controlling content of forums .To limit is to deny the whole point.
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simple: for average user who has his hdd full. what stuff that he seeds he'll delete first to free some space that he need - stuff from demonoid or from bmtv? my wild guess is that majority of ppl if they will face similar problem will keep bmtv stuff. black hole effect. with other aspects it's just like that.. those who can get access to a place with quality stuff, uploaders, longest seeding etc etc will do it and will bring their own resources there. and exclusive content is one of the things that makes place attractive. and keeping it exclusive attracts more quality users that can't get it otherwise. pure sharing just don't work that good, it's just like communism failure
 
Some things just defy logic :lol:

I very much doubt I'm a member of wherever it is you're thinking of mate, I don't belong to any 'uber leet' trackers that I'm aware of, and if you can't refer to it then I know I'm definitely not :P but I can well believe you :)

My own statement:

Burnsy said:
How can anyone with a ratio of around 16 complain about anyone else overseeding? :lol:
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was really one of incredulity... :lol:
 
This has been bugging the fuck out of me for a long ass time.

What is it with torrent sites and their "exclusive" packs or rips or whatever? People steal shit and then don't want other people to share it with others... I see rips and packs and in the description it will say "Exclusive to blah blah, please do not upload other places" or sites like f** that say their packs shouldn't be uploaded anywhere else, like they created the shit.

Now, I understand that it takes work to say encode a movie or create a pack, but I thought the whole idea was to share with everyone. I find it arrogant and self-serving in a way to say that an encode or pack is 'yours' and you should not upload it anywhere else.

How is it not hypocritical to steal someone elses work and then not want someone to 'steal' yours? Its counterproductive and assinine.

Explain please.
 
kukushka said:
simple: for average user who has his hdd full. what stuff that he seeds he'll delete first to free some space that he need - stuff from demonoid or from bmtv? my wild guess is that majority of ppl if they will face similar problem will keep bmtv stuff. black hole effect. with other aspects it's just like that.. those who can get access to a place with quality stuff, uploaders, longest seeding etc etc will do it and will bring their own resources there. and exclusive content is one of the things that makes place attractive. and keeping it exclusive attracts more quality users that can't get it otherwise. pure sharing just don't work that good, it's just like communism failure
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I see some of the logic in what you are saying here. I take it you mean that if a user can only get a certain kind of upload at a certain tracker (ie exclusivity), then they'll use that tracker and bring along with them their bandwidth, HD space and whatever else they have in their collection and effectively help to make that tracker a little bit better?

It's a fair point, and if it worked in practice then it might be true, however, and just like the example you used with sharing... exclusivity doesn't work that well either... doesn't matter who you are or what you encode/upload or try to limit to a certain type of tracker, it rarely stays there. I've actually been on trackers where upload comments have mentioned certain packs being sourced from 'tracker a' and "against the rules", only for another member to say that it is actually from 'tracker b' and arguments to ensue that way... it's crazy. The exclusivity just doesn't work either imho.

I think the original point the OP was making though was that it was kind of hypocrytical for 'pirates' to release packs/encodes or whatever else onto a tracker and to then have the cheek to say that their contribution hasn't to go anywhere else, despite the fact they 'pinched it' in the first place.

And I have to say I agree with them.
 
Yeah I personally dont really get the mentality behind forbidding stuff to be upped elsewhere (especially packs made of a bunch of scene stuff). But I still respect the site/uploader enough that I follow that rule when it's there. If something a site does bothers me enough, I just use another site :shrug: .
 
Burnsy said:
It's a fair point, and if it worked in practice then it might be true, however, and just like the example you used with sharing... exclusivity doesn't work that well either...
I think the original point the OP was making though was that it was kind of hypocrytical for 'pirates' to release packs/encodes or whatever else onto a tracker and to then have the cheek to say that their contribution hasn't to go anywhere else, despite the fact they 'pinched it' in the first place.

And I have to say I agree with them.
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it doesn't work absolutely but it's not a matter of absolute, it's just a matter of different factors and their % of being effective.

as for hypocrisy - there's no absolute moral around and sharing pirated stuff isn't an exclusion so any moral thesis that is being used around is from more global point of view can be found quite relative, in other words - hypocrytical :)
 
pretend said:
You talk like someone makes you join sites with exclusive content or packs. Don't download it and be happy.
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Ok, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed so excuse me, but no one said that I was moral, or that I was against it... there is no need for any accusatory tone and calling me a leech, for that I will tell you to fuck right off.

Secondly, I was asking a question, if you dont like my questions.. again, fuck right off.

Thirdly, as a couple people have pointed out, I was wondering this because I do find it against the spirit of torrenting itself, also in my original post I conceded that it does take work to encode a film or create a pack (read for once in your lives), and coincidentally I have done both. But, keep in mind you are encoding someone elses original work, what now makes it 'yours' is the question.

Also, I do agree with one post saying that exclusivity on packs are total bullshit, which is one reason I dont use my f** account....
 
as if anyone gets his stuff because of leeches like you and their morality bs, when in reality you're just pissed you don't get -everything- for free.
no, i don't think you understand it takes work.
 
kukushka said:
simple: for average user who has his hdd full. what stuff that he seeds he'll delete first to free some space that he need - stuff from demonoid or from bmtv? my wild guess is that majority of ppl if they will face similar problem will keep bmtv stuff. black hole effect. with other aspects it's just like that.. those who can get access to a place with quality stuff, uploaders, longest seeding etc etc will do it and will bring their own resources there. and exclusive content is one of the things that makes place attractive. and keeping it exclusive attracts more quality users that can't get it otherwise. pure sharing just don't work that good, it's just like communism failure
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Communism failed at the top not at the bottom.Those that had access to power abused it and it then became very much a class ( or worse) system, the antithesis of what was originally intended( see any parallels here).
Great for the proletariat but not so good for the workers.

Historically Communism may not work but neither does the type of isolationism you support. Not equating the two but you do realize that the" limited access to a select few "mentality is basically at the heart of all prejudice and social injustice.
 
the thing is that open, "good" systems are working exactly in cases where they don't get abused. which requires either self stable system or exclusively good people to participate in. since open stable systems are hard to impossible to build and people in general aren't that good, it brings us borders and other shit which can be called injustice, but it's just trying to filter stuff in selected areas from the mess that is all around

and please don't misunderstand me, i don't support such kind of systems, i just see that it's working and i use it to some extent.
 
The same problem is with Scene 1337$, they have the same shitty attitude, with out us , the file sharers, the scene would never exist
I don't see the point in doing a release and encoding or reversing and at the end they'll be uploaded to some topsite with IRC channels echoing that so others get it and upload it to other sites, and then the original thieves ask for shit not to be stolen again.
If you steal and don't respect copyright, how the *uck you ask other people to do so?
I'm sure that The Scene look at P2P communities as "Scene Whores", but there are P2P people who make their own releases and hundreds who release "Indi"s everyday
 
Burnsy said:
Yeah, same here... just because I don't agree with the ruling/site policy, it doesn't mean I'd just blank it and carry on regardless...
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I fully agree with following the rules and the encoders wishes, I was just curious about what others thought and if they found stealing other peoples' stolen stuff made sense.
 
pretend said:
You talk like someone makes you join sites with exclusive content or packs. Don't download it and be happy.
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You don't seem to understand what puckface is saying.It's just the whole concept of bt is about sharing and that concept some people have seem to lost track of.

ANd to answer the question imo site defined exclusives are maintained for basically the same reason that there are platform exclusive games . As for indivuals marking their uploads as exclusive they are looking to up their own profile at whichever you are talking about.
Again this is just my opinion and by no means necessarily fact.
 
I mostly agree with dvdasacd's post. My personal opinion is that the rule (especially in the case of packs of scene or previously released content) is a cancer on the BT community. In the case of the music exclusivity sites, I think it's a cancer not because the rule itself is terrible, but as a sign of a larger problem with the uploaders themselves. When I upload a rip there, it's because I want to present my upload to the community... have it shared, have it whatever. It's for the enjoyment of the music.

Many other uploaders have this sense of entitlement about themselves. It's my rip, therefore I own it. I deserve upload credit on my own upload, I deserve to show the staff no respect, I deserve to keep these files exclusive and not shared elsewhere, despite the entire SPIRIT of what we're doing is to share our files with others.. Sure, putting together scans and a nice description may take hours, but you chose to do that to share them with others, I don't see why the files being on another site should detract from that.

It all ends up with these people with ratios of around 16 complaining about how the guy with the seedbox and a ratio of 1.13 is "overseeding" ;)
 
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