what exactly is emo?

Madpunk.... i issue the same dare to you as well.

post up a consice and descriptive list of all this so called "PROOF" that you and others have so "OWNED" me with.

maybe you should go back to living in the "SCENE" and learn how to tell the difference between your little "PUNK" (yes the pun was intended) stories and real info.

you owned know one ya childish little asshat. before you can say ya owned someone you need to actually have proof first....proof that can stand up and be viable to someone else besides you and anyone else you joins your side just becasue they don't like what i have to say.
 
well you pretty much just summed up exactly what i thought you would say there. I knew you wouldn't find any proof... i knew you wouldn't post any references...and i knew you would make some coment about how you were there and blah blah blah underground blah blah blah.

so pretty much your just ranting and trying to establish yourself as being around when it all started blah etc blah. Apparently I am wrong an you are right cause you are the master of the music industry and have lived in every city in the country so you know every music scene there is since the birth of punk and emo that was 30 years ago according to you. Which incidently happens to be in the middle of the disco era and the end of whites softening afro-american music and re-distributing it. Then shortly after the rock era became the knew thing while punk remained underground and europe was harboring much punk and the beginnings of electronic and techno music. and Madonna by the way was the first american ever to get a electronicly based song into main stream america.

now after that short music history lesson for you i will go on to state this....

regardless of where you were and what music you were there for its beginnings...it has no bairings on music history in general becasue your musical experiences are limited to the area in which you lived. If you traveled 10 hours away it would have been a whole new world. in fact at the times in history you speak of punk was very localized if around at all. and very underground. just the same way as techno has been since the late 70's and early 80's....not until mide to late 80's did techno even begin to take a solid hold among people.and not until the early to mid 90's did it ever become common place throughout the country.

The same with punk. similar path and story of how it got here...and now it is packaged to make money by some jackasses in a big office building.

Now again i will say this. find me some proof. Iv'e been through a series of music history classes and have know many people in the music industry as my dad is in a band and i work as stage technician and audio engineer. Everything i learned that has gotten me to where i am today basically states that your posts are a self gratifying attempt to fell better about you having been involved in something before corprate america fucked it up. Go you! but none of that has any validity with whether or not punk and emo are older than the hills or wether or not weezer is emo. if you think weezer sucks....how does that have any bairing on this? if you think they suck...again bairing? if a band writes a song that is regarded as emo does that make them emo? what about other banRAB that make songs that fit in a variety of genres...which one do they fit into then? I can assure you that you cannot make anyone believe that every weezer song is emo. and i can assure you that you cannot do the same with saying emo is from the 70's.

If you would like to feed me more BS...then well...be my guest. but i need some facts and articles or something. the internet is broad. find it and link me to it. the burden of proof lies with you. What i have stated is fairly common music knowledge and would be a hard pressed task to disprove what i have said. And if what you said is true... im sure there are music history sites online to back you up...am im n ot talking about rolling stone or that bullshit. Im talking legitiment sites dedicated to the history of different kinRAB of music and even some e books too.
 
go reread what i said you fucktard. i will stand by everything i said... i changed nothing...learn how to differenetiate between what you think you read and what was actually written.

being a #1 chart topper is part of being the first american to hit mainstream with an electronic song you douchebag. holy shit...i have never seen anyone on OT twist and contort someone elses worRAB to their liking more than you have with mine.

every dare or challenge i have issuded in this thread has gone unanswerd by anything that would prove to be a viable answer. its just stories and hearsay from the DC scene. My info has been researched by a professor who apparently doesn't know anything...

well if he doesn't know anything...post up your research that proves him wrong. Is that so difficult?????????

your opinions with your DC experience do not count as doctorate level research my friend. they may help varify a fact... but the proof that that fact exhists in the first place neeRAB to be there for it to add credibility.


and if my but hurts its only because its from shitting too much on you. Who cares when i was born....like your sooooo old and lived through it all. My prof is way older than 99.99999999999999999% of OT...so he wins the living through the scene more than you... SO that must mean hes right and your wrong if you wanna go by the standarRAB of credibility that you set forth. since hes older...and has been in the industry longer....he must be more right than you.
 
this is your problem. You're too willing to believe what they "told you" rather than what actualy happened. Most professors I've seen are full of shit when it comes to what actualy happened in the real world, and even more full of shit if they happen to be music professors talking about the progressive music scene. However no matter what, in spite of what everybody here is telling you, you refuse to believe ANYTHING that goes against your precious college education, and thats why you are ignorant about the subject.
living the life in the scene and actualy being there > listening to one college professors skewed idea of what probably happened.
 
okay this is the last post I'm making two you MWHC22, because you are such a fucking stubborn, dense retard you obviously cannot understand the substantial differance between what your stupid professor has been told though hearsay, vs actualy being deeply involved with something

1. Me and several others have already given you links and information that is more than enough proof to back up my point. You have given us nothing but bullshit talk. I want to meet this professor of yours, because either you're lying about what he's said, misinterperated it (wich judging by your personality, is most likely) or he's so incredibly wrong he should stick to teaching history of more traditional music, insted of the history of the punk/alt scene, wich btw would make him the ONLY music history professor I've heard of that would give a detailed lesson in such!
What exactly did he do in the "music industry" anyway? Was he a "professional musician" because that would explain exactly why he would be so misinformed about things regaurding the underground music scene.

2. you DO NOT need to be a #1 chart topper to be considered mainstreem music. Fact is, all those banRAB I listed could be heard on national radio, could be seen on Mtv, and could be bought at local stores like K mart, long before Madonna hit the scene! Thats mainstreem, and there is NOTHING that prevents you from vaifying this, in fact it's already commen knowlege to anybody who is around or over 30!

3. I don't need to take up any challege, you are simply WRONG. In fact you are so damn wrong, and so stupid that you don't even know you're wrong, and insted you are sticking to your story simply because you refuse to believe that you were given wrong information about something. It's so rediculous that everybody I know who has seen this has broken down laughing at it, including a couple of well known punk musicians.

4. Emo and weezer in particular still suck!


now please spare me and the rest of the world your logic. If you want to live in ignorance, keep it to yourself.
 
Actually your first little spat about the forest fires is a little flawed. I'm guess Mad Punk took the time to study the scene as well as be in it. If I lived through 12 forest fires and really watched how they build up and how wind affects direction and intensity of the flames and all that shit, hell yeah I think i'd be more knowledgable about it than some guy sitting in an office studying all that. Sure there are plenty of things that you can learn and understand and be very knowledgable in without ever experiencing it for yourself. But there is NEVER, and I'll repeat that.........NEVER, a anything like experiencing a movement, scene, topic, or whatever you want to call it. Ever.

And can we please stop talking about Madonna. Its getting really annoying. Its making me hate her even more than I do. I hate her music. I hate her fake accents. I hate her trying to preach her politics. I hate her religions-of-the-week. I hope she gets into an accident and gets horribly disfigured so people will realize what a shallow piece of shit she has become. She's not controversial anymore and I think that fact really kills her. And she can't even sell out concerts at MSG because her music sucks now.
 
first...learn the difference between two and too. second... my professor didn't learn from hearsay. third..he was deeply involved in the music industry as you might have noticed by one of my posts above describing his musical experience throughtout this country and the world as well as holding many degrees and different jobs throughout the industry.



first it was not you and several others...it was you and like 2 or 3 others if that. Second...then post up these so called "links" to info on the web. I see no proof.. i issued a dare/challenge for you or any other on here to make a buklleted post of these so called proofs..... you have failed in doing so and have therefore lost even more credibility. Third...i am giving you bullshit talk huh?...maybe you should go back and read what youve posted there buddy. Every god damn thing you posted was either a) hearsay, b)a story about you and shit youve done/lived through in DC, c) random bullshit like "oh go listen to this song... it will tell you the history of such and such through the lyrics(which are open to interpretation mind you) and then you will have proof of what i say" Fourth..... come out here to SLC then and meet him.. im sure hed be glad to tell you exactly what he told me. But i don't see how that will make a difference becasue since he will tell you what ive already told you... you wouldn't believe it then anyway. Fifth.... so you somehow have been able to become the first person on the internet to be able to tell what a persons persanality is on the internet huh?...intersting that you are so gifted. What was the basis of you analysis of my personality?...the fact that i disagree with you?....the fact that I stand by what i say so firmly that you can't refute what ive said without being pissed at me?...the fact hat you have yet to show any proof that what i say is any more wrong than what you say? tell me... what did you use to get to know my personality over the web?...oh i know... maybe its the fact that i can spit smart ass replies at you faster than you can come up with something that makes me reply back in the first place...is that?...you don't like how i post so many worRAB that it makes you feel like maybe...just maybe... i might know at least one thing on this planet. Sixth....maybe he didn't live through what you have.... does that mean he knows nothing just becasue hes not you... no. Im sure you both know shit about the punk scene that the other doesn't...thats life...you know some shit.. others know some other shit. sometimes you disagree about it...but one of you still has to be right about something. Seventh....what happened to the Madonna discussion?..did we just forget about that? still no proof against my/my profs statements. eighth.... what did he do in the inRAButry?...yet another stupid question....this again shows that you are not even reading my posts at all and just spewing bullshit at me. I already told you all that shit a few posts up before you even asked. go read it before posting. You really are just posting shit to try and win rather than proving me wrong or working through the disagreement to get a final answer aren't you?



first....duh....obvously you don't need to be #1... but being #1 i obviousy going to have a greater impact ahn being #25 is it not?..even you have to agree with me there. Second....just cuz your on tv or the radio period...does not make you influential or a big hit. It simply means you are selling some recorRAB. again... #1 is bigger than #25. as you might be able to guess...a song at #1 will obviously be a huge mark on the musical history world compared to a song at #25 or whatever before madonna hit the scene. Fact is that through resarch of sales/media coverage/genreal opinon...my professor has shown(with agreement throughout the industry) that madonna is commonly regarded as the first American in america to hit big with a completely electronic song. No one ever said that no one else made an electronic song before her (hmmmm have i said that before?) no one ever said madonna invented it... no one ever said that no other group/artist/mand ever had a song on the charts at all...hell im sure a few even hit close to #1 or even got a #1 for at laest a week or 2....the difference in which my prof/me/ and other musical people talk about(yes there are others than just me and my prof that think this is true..not inlcuding the other students) is that being #1 for a long period of time and sweeping across the country in all forms of media....makes madonna a bigger mark on musical history than other groups who didn't achieve such market penatration. How hard is it to believe this?...you guys yourselfs said that madonna rides on coatails of the media or wahtever the hell it was. for those very reason is why madonna is regarded as being the first to have such a big hit... cuz she is the one who everyone knows did it....and did it big. tons of people agree that there are other groups out there back then.... they just weren't as well coverd back then...it took them more time to make their mark than madonna... she did it overnight instead over a period of time. which again...is why she is regarded as the first big hit. She just exploded overnight. the other groups you speak of were just a smaller scale and didn't achieve as much fame...which can also be proven by the fact that those groups faded from the news and spotlight after time...madonna is still here today pissing of people that hate her and maiking music for those that like her.



yes you do need to take up a challenge....why? You know how OT works as well as i do. You prove yourslef and your point or you are automatically considered to be knowledgeless. If im wrong prove it..that is if you can. Until you do...i am right and you are wrong in at least the aspects that I disagree with you on. Again... if i was given wrong information... then set me straight. Is it that hard for you to do it? Just do it already if im wrong and you have all the proof that sets me straight. Of course eveyone you know is gonna laugh at me. What you thought that your frienRAB will take my side without ever knwoing me or seeing the info that i have been presented? What kind of indacator is that of whos right... I have frienRAB that have seen this too and laughed at you as well... whats your point. I know lets whip out our dicks and measure... or better yet you and your punk industry frienRAB can meet us somehwere and we will have a browl to decide who wins this arguement. Please....how childish are you?...you say you are all old and lived through all this stuff and that i am so young...well freaking act like you are that old then. Latly... if you and these well known punk musicians are as knowledgable and great as you say... it shouldn't be hard to post up some proof. You must be able to find some reliable history online or scan a book or something. Hell so far all ive seen is stories. I could go get like 12 people to sign up for OT and take my side if i wanted to....but is that proof?...No...its just he said she said bullshit man. Seriously....it should be easy for you to prove me wrong with the expertise and contacts that you say you have. All ive got is what a professor said. I made the statements of what i was told by him....and they still stand. If my statements were a brick wall....all youve been doing is throwing tomatoes at it to knock it down. What you need to do is get some proof that will be your tank to knock it down if you wanna prove me wrong.


ummmmm whgo cares if emo and weezer still suck....is that supposed to hurt me or something? Please are we 7 years old or something? So you hate tehm...whoohoo... go you!!!! im sure if you posted a thread in OFftopic that stated emo and weezer suck...you get a shit load of people on your case. most would prolly agree that emo sucks... but not weezer. and alot of people would not agree with you that Weezer is EMO. Ill keep being ingnorant until i am set straight and no longer ignorant. Just like the rest of the world.

But i guess i won't be set straight.... since its your last post to me and all. I didn't think i would be set straight anyway though. I suspect this thread would just continue in the same manner forever anyway. me restating over an over again... and you with no proof..just DC stories and telling me that my prof and i are dumb.
 
BTW, the human league isn't european- so there goes that statement;




Any twig of music knowledge credibility you ever had has been thrown out the window with your last few posts.
 
'yet again I fail to see proof, you need to get me a time machine and go back then and show me that the radios played these crazy unheard of songs. My teacher didn't tell me about them so it cannot be true !' /MWH
 
no you were hahahahaha... take that.....
yay!!! i can argue like MadPUnk.... all i have to do is say hes owned enough times and i will win even though i never posted any proof.

so far your ownage of me consists of you saying im owned and thats about it. no proof... no credibility.... no nothing.

through this whole thread you have beat around the bush.... avoided 90% of my questions... changed the subject. made false acusations of what if said when you can read my post again and see that you were wrong in accusing me of such things.

you have avoided any responibility.... you haven't given any solid answer about anything.... in fact the only thing that you can definitely pull out of your posts is this....

1)you say weezer sucks... (whatever who cares...its your opinion)
2)you say weezer is emo...
3)you say madonna sucks and didn't achieve what me and my prof say
4)you say im dumb and my prof doesn't know anything
5)you know more about punk/emo/straight edge than everyone

did i miss anything?....i might have.... but the above 5 things are a bulleted list of the things one can pull from all the bullshit youve typed in this thread. Aside from those 5 things... i can find no other statements from you that have any meaning or credibility in this thread becasue anything and everything else is eother
a)one of your dc stories
b)telling me im owned
c)telling me to go do my homework/listen to a certain song

how the fuck is that in anyway proof that im wrong. where the hell did you learn how to argue/discuss things. If you were a lawer youd lose every god damn case if you did the same things in a court room that you did here. I need to get some waders just to try and sift though all your shit youve been shoveling my way just to see if there was anything in there that can prove your point and set me straight. SO far... ive found nothing except what if described above.

oh yeah... you posted again...i thought you weren't going to. Why is it everytime i post up something.. you reply with something to the effect of
"shut up youve been owned"?

How about you own me then, and prove your point!!! post some proof and stop being a dumb little kid about it. If your right.....then prove me wrong and get it over with! Stop avoiding the point and just prove me wrong already.

Man if i had to compare your posts with someone famous and they way they speak.... id say you post just like George W Bush answers questions about the war and all that bullshit. you and the W both speak in circles while avoiding actually giving a solid answer and by changing the subject.

Maybe living in DC has caused you to speak like a dirty politician eh?
 
people are uneducated on what real emo is, and thats the problem
for example i heard someone call Coldplay emo the other day
what the hell?...Coldplay is an amazing band and far from emo in anyway
 
ok...here we go again...

first..forest fire analogy... just becasue you lived thourhg 12 of them doesn't mean you know shit about them..how the wind effects them or anything...and 2...i never said the guy studing themn was in an office. how about being in a chooper with forest fire fighters... hmmm... maybe even with the ground teams trying to put one out....

studying something doesn't mean you are in an office. being academic doesn't maen being nerdy in an office ya know.


second... madpuks little history blurb,,,, you can read that in abook to find the answer. Aparently there are no books about music according to you. otherwise you would not be so erogant about your vast industry experience that means you know everything about every musical genre known to mankind. Let me gues next you will tell me im wrong in saying Beethoven isn't from Wien.

MadPunk.....since you are the master of punk/emo.... because you grew up in DC....where the hell did you find the time to go and become the electronic music master too... fuck you must have a time machine...otherwise how the hell do you have the time to have knowledge of the history of 2 VERY VERY HUGE musical revolutions of the last 25 years of so? Are you just trying to pull songs outta your ass to refute what i said about madonna becasue you dislike me and what i say?....or have you actually seen sales stats and play time stats from radio stations etc.? Becasue thats where my prof got his info.

"Safety Dance"??? come on dude.....we both know that that song was not a chart buster....at least pick a song that was well know to have been a hit instead of just one that was "popular for a moment"

Human leage isn't europian.... so i never said they were. so they had some songs...so they sold some recorRAB....i never said someone else didn't make a song before madonna....i never said she invented it.....she just busted the scene wide open...regarless of how much you like...or hate..madonna...thats what she did. I can't help it if 37 banRAB/artists/groups didn't get as much credit as you would like them too. They just didn't hit the market as hard as madonna did...she gets the medal for busting open the market and exposing the country as a whole...not just the cities...not just the circles of people already listening to other groups......but the WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but whatever....think whatever you want to. Its quite obvious at this point that no one can provide any evidence that madonna was beaten to the punch other than saying well what about this song...it was popular....what about this other song...it was popular too. News Flash....there is a difference between being a popular song...and being one that sets sales/media recorRAB fo its time and genre. EVen you guiys have to agree with me on that. If you look not too far back from today even...you will notice that techno music was barely heard on the radio/tv at all....just in the circles of people that frequent establishments that play it. Then a song or 2 bust out a big sales turnout and gets plastered all over the radio and tv. Before ya know it...its the new thing and all the record labels and promoters are trying to get there piece of the techno dollar that they were previously complacent about.

its a similar thing back then....history repeats itslef....someone back in the day was the first to hit big with blues....jazz....swing....big band...hell...even centry's ago the same shit happened under different circumstance when guys like Mozart and Beethoven spread there musical style all over. They weren't the first...but they became the first to become world famous in their style. Sure nowadays we have history about all kinRAB of composers...DeBussy, Stravinsky, Chopin, Brahms, Schubert, Scriabin...etc....some were not of the exact same style or even time period. But few were able to hit fame while others were simply popular.
 
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