what exactly is emo?

i assume they sold a crap load.... but then look at how many madonna sold. madonna is one of the top selling artists in the history regardless of musical genre. but meh...whatever.

and besides....album sales are counted up over time.....when you get a hit...like the one that i speak of madonna having.....your sales in a short peroiod of time are so high....that the country and world take notice of your song faster than you can hand them out for free.

which is also how you get new music to go mainstream...by having a song that spreaRAB liek wild fire and sells hundreRAB of thousandfs of copies a day upon release. devo, p-funk, Kraftwerk etc.....they without a doubt sold tons and tons and tons of albums. in fact lots of groups do it all the time. But few groups can say they blew everyone of the charts and sold more recorRAB than you can count in a few days.

and thats exactly what im talking about. Madonna had her hit song in the spring of 1982....completely synth. And it hit america like wildfire. were talkin her song was everywhere...similar to today how when a song comes out...its in practically every club in every city in the country that night. thats what she did with her song. Other groups had songs all over the place...but they got there the hard way...by being who they were and slowly becomeing more and more popular....until they get big enough that people will buy there stuff by name. Kraftwerk..etc..etc...were famous becasue they have been around along time in that type of music....so people knew about them in the cirlces of people that were into that music.

When i say madonna was the first to hit mainstream...im talking everyone was exposed to her song...not just the circles of people that were into electronic music. Essentially Madonna helped push open doors to new markets of people that were until then unaware of all the kinRAB of electronic music. This way all the groups that had already been making electronic music gain more sales and exposure becasue of the new interst in elctronic music...which is why you had the electonic 80's craze with weird vidoes on MTV and all kinRAB of other stuff.

Granted if madonna didn't do it...eventually someone else would have anyway....but as you might have noticed Madonna has been very good at changing her style and reinventing her music at the beginning of new trenRAB. Once she bacame famous it was really easy for her to do this. In a way its kinda shitty to say that she does it... but she seems to see new things and uses them to get new exposure and hit songs since she has so much influence and media weight..she can use new music styles and become poular again and again.

it just so happened that in the spring of 1982 she was the first one to hit big with an electronic song.

not saying she invented it or anything.....she just was the first to use it to hit big in the music world. Why do all of you find it so hard to believe that she might ahve actually been the first to hit big with electronic music?
 
it's as much as genre as punk,and yet, were did it begin?



there isn't a need anymore proof, you are the only person who is too stupid to understand here! You got a live person, a list of songs, websites, and even books, what the fuck more do you want a damn time machine! None of what I said backs your point up, so don't even start backpedling now.


I didn't say it was the center of the world, I said it heavily influenced the genre worldwide! Look at what the DC scene specificly gave us! Straitedge, Emo, and a heavy influence on the LA, and Seattle scene via people like Dave Grohl, and Henry Rollins. You said it yourself that Dave Grohl was the "grunge rock pioneer" Well we're do you think he got his start, playing drums for Scream.

Your trying to argue that my understanding of it all is limited because my local scene was limited, and that it's influence didn't matter "10 hours away". I've proved differant. You still won't listen, either because you refuse to admit you were wrong, you're just so fucking stupid, or you're good at convincing yourself that your right no matter what! Problem is not mine now! I gave you the proof, I gave you the story, the history, the references, take what you want from it, but this discussion between you and me at this point is CLOSED. You can either learn the truth, or live in ignorance.
 
ALso the reason why I have trouble understanding what you are trying to say, is because you can't seem to get even a basic understanding of proper grammor, nor are half your paragraphs coherant enough to convey a single idea. For that problem, I suggest you use:



because I don't know how the hell you made it through college with grammor or spelling worse than me!
 
NIce cop out....and thanks for another post filled with personal attacks.
the problem here is not that i don't understand..its that you are to self centerd and egotistical about your dc punk scene and experiecnes. I have a broad range of experiences thoughout many genres of music including classical and jazz. so my opinions are very much unbiased to any specific area or view of history.

if you wanna say emo or straight edge began in dc fine...it began from punk fine.....but where di punk come from then...if you wanna start talking like that then hypothetically something that happend in europe that traveled over might have given birth to punk in DC...so technically then didn't punk begin in Europe?.... se where im going with this. you talk as if it all started in DC...and that everywhere else was influence by DC and there were no other strains of punk only the DC strain. you say punk...emo...straight edge...grunge....etc etc all came from DC. Might I also remind you though that there was this guy named kurt conain that was the leader of a certain band that became cited as being the start of grunge dave was the drummer....yeah all member of a band have influence on the musical styel...but serioulsy you talk as if he invented grunge...and hes from DC so he must have done it.

your proof is seriously lacking....if you have ever had to write a research paper you need credible resources to back it up. songs are less than credible since they are something that is open to interpretation, your statments are obvioulsy not credible in my eyes anyway so that doesn't really help too much....and the fact that by simply looking on google i have found a few sites in a matter of minutes of searching that make statements that back up some things of the site you poste while offering a different opinion and even a more broad and nonbiased opinion than your site. and yes some of what you said backs up some of my points. back pedaling is when i say i never said that when i in fact can be shown that i did. maybe you didn't really pay attention to what i posted or maybe you didn't understand the way i wrote it. but i did in fact make some comments that you have backed up with some of your comments. SO DC has muscial history involvment...well so does new york, chicago, seattle, san fran, L.A., minniapolis, cinncinati, orlando, atlanta, houston, portland, SLC, Denver, and a pile of other cities. DC just fits in with all the other cities that contributed. like i said before...from what i have learned DC had a few banRAB that were there in the beginning and di help start some of the Punk movements. But they didn't do it all... they were just there to step up and do what they liked. its like building a house. you need to pour the foundation first...then other crews come int to do other parts. in the end you have a house. but the foundation crew didn't build the house..or influence the what the others did...they simply placed something down to build on top of.

by the way i never said anything about it not mattering 10 hours away...i said it would be different 10 hours away.....depending on your start and finishing point a 10 drive can show quite the change from beginning to end. start in chicago...and drive south east...you end up in southern slang talking land from urban norhtern lack of accent at all land. its a change...differnt people...different ideas...different priorities. hell in the civil war those to areas where a 10 hours drive apart today...but they were shooting at each other.

k...convo is closed..... if you look back you will notice your progression towarRAB posts filled more and more with personal attacks and less and less info to prove your point.

by the way you still haven't told me who beat madonna to the punch.
 
No, DARE! sold a SHITLOAD right when it came out...I'm only talking about one album, no cumulative stuff or anything. They had 5 singles off of that album, and it blew up (album debuted at #1 on the UK charts, as did "don't you want me" single- couldn't find US numbers but I'm pretty sure its the same). It was before madonna's album, but I'm afraid that no matter what proof you are given your views won't change so I'll stop writing now...

Madonna rides on the coattails of everything, her sound is defined by the producer of her albums (which range quite a bit). She is obviously a major artist with worldwide success, but to say she brought electronic music to the mainstream...I can't agree with that.



edit: DARE! came out in 1981.
 
if you don't like it don't fucking read it! I answered the original question asked, MWHC22 started in on a bunch of bullshit, most of it unrelated to the topic, and he was WRONG, on more than just one point, for more than just one reason. Now go back to lurking, or actualy contribute something.
 
ummmm yeah.... sorry i wasn't writing at phd level for ya. just another wya to try insult me. My posts aren't that bad man...seriously...mine are pretty damn good compared to most people. its just how the internet works. people type with less grammer and puncuation on the internet... just works out that way.

and pointing out grammer problems in a discussion is pretty my grammer on OT doesn't really reflect my knowldge...just my effort that i am willing to put forth. its pretty weak to use that as an attack. its like telling someone over the web that your dad can beat up mine. wtfr is the point of it... none.
 
tis true.... this man speaks with some truth behind his worRAB.
why haven't you attacked him MadPunkDC? he hath stated some of the same things i did that got this whole discussion going in the first place. Ive never said this whole time that you don't know your shit about DC stuff... but i have opposed how you make dc out to be the end all be all of inlfluences. It had its part. be content knowing it helped change music. but it didn't do it all.
 
If weezer is emo...then with all your massive amounts of knowledge prove it. Find some reveiws or mag articles proving its emo. if wezzer sucks then who is so great?...you better not say a bunch of bullshit again like above. I predicted it...and it came. who woulda thunk that could happen. Oh and find me a reference that emo has been around since the 70's. I bet you can't do that either. in fact i would think it would be hard to find reference at all for punk befreo the 80's as well. and where did i asses your personality you're more messed in the head than i thought. oh and when you get home from owrk it would be my pleasure to make you laugh
 
ok.....lets go over this again since people can't seem to keep on track around here.
if you would have read my posts from the beginning you would realize that i have been claiming this about madonna - "she was the first person in america that was not europian to have a hit with a totaly electronic song." Either way anyway.......the basis of where i got my information from was from numbers and media coverage. So obviously madonna was the bigger hit. For the most part europian stuff doesn't hit as big over here...here and there it hits big...butusually stuff thats big in europe isn't as big over here...and stuff thats not so big over here enRAB up being a hit in some foreign counties....its kinda weird but if you look at some hit charts for different countries around the world....there charts generally don't look the same as ours...america is very different than the rest of the world.



holy hell dude....i have yet to see proof. when i see it then ill be wrong. i don't really give a flying fuck if im wrong...ya know why...cause i didn't research my statment all myself...an established music professor did...and i believe him. You talk as if im wrong...without anyone proving me wrong....

if someone has proven me wrong...show me...tell me...id like to see what people seem to think is proof around here that has made me wrong. if ya wanna stop writing fine...woop dee doo....if proof arises that what i learned from my professor is wrong then ill stop writing too.

and who the crap cares if madonna riRABes on coattails...a donkey, or a segway.....what the hell does that have to do with whether or not she was indeed the first as i say she is? and if you don't agree with what i say then prove me wrong or stop saying im wrong. Just becasue you seem to think that my statement is wrong becasue it was from me...or if it is becasue you don't like madonna...or you think someone else deserves that prestige more..or whatever....doesn't mean it isn't true until it is proven that someone else hit the media, clubs, and record stores as hard or even competitivly as hard as madonna did before her.

i mean hell...even if i hated madonnas guts more than anything in the world if i was told she was the first by someone with musical credibility and knowledge...id still believe it even if i wish it was someone else and not her.
 
nobody is asking for "Phd level" writting, just that you make it so it can be understood. Most of what you write is so run on, and disjointed, it's like looking at a train wreck.

anyway believe what you want, sorry you were not there to actualy witness things, keep believing your college classes, or whatever. I actualy have the experiance, and if I wanted to write a research paper, I could get statements from the people who were directly involved.
I gave you several examples, to back my side up. You on the other hand have provided only "I don't belive you, I need more proof", and then go off on things that are not related to the topic, or take things said completely out of context, twist them around and try to make some kind of a point. Seriously, I'm tired of this discussion with you. It's obvious you will accept nothing but a concession, wich I'm not going to give because you're wrong. It's over.
 
well if you want to talk magasines and pop culture get on google and do it yourself. Magasines don't meen shit, and never have when it came to anything remotely related to punk music. Shit some of the best banRAB, were probably never even mentioned in ink. If not being able to come up with evidence of underground rock music jargon make a person "owned" in your book, you obviously were never there to witness it! However I'm sure somebody on ebay has a collection of old independant "zines" that they are selling. Try there, because your not going to find it in shit rags like MMR, or Rolling Stone.
Me personaly, I remember banRAB and I'll use the Buzzcocks as an example again, refered to as "emo", as far back as the mid 80s. I know that "emo" was already an old term back them, it's not any newer now. However emo rock from back then is NOTHING like whats being called emo now, just like what most of you consider punk, it's nothing like the old stuff I grew up on. It's been ripped off, made cosumer friendly, and remanufactured, just like "punk rock" has. I don't need to prove anything to you dumbass I was there, but if you want to live in ignorance, do it alone insted of spreading it around like a bad case of herpes.

oh yeah and weezer is a still a suck ass emo, oh let me rephrase that "neo emo" band, and if you want proof, download The Meat Men's song "college radio looser". There is a referance specificly aimed at weezer it pretty much sums up the general consensus on how most of the punk scene thinks of them, and if you don't know who The Meat Men are, you got no business talking any shit to me.
 
because:
1. he makes a clear and coherant point
2. he accepts my opinion on the matter, and still keeps his own
3. he's not trying to come off like an intellectual prick, who "took music history classes and knows the industry inside and out"
4. He's not trying to comment about something he doesn't know about.

simply put, he's alot smarter than you.
 
are you blind, or did you just miss the last 3 pages of this thread? Anyway whats your fucking problem, didn't get out enough as a teenager or something. Forget to eat your wheeties. Nobody fucking asked you, nobody attacked you, what me and the rest of these people got pissed off about had nothing to do with you. If you want to step into this however, I'll be more than happy to throw alot more bad attitude your way, or you can just leave it be already. The debate has already been won.
 
did i ever say i knew the industry inside an out...no...if anything you said that more than i did.

and points 1,2,4..... thats what my origional posts started out as. but you picked me out to throw an attack against saying i was dumb and you are the master of all...im not the right person do that too unless you are prepared to have a discusion that woul won't want to finish because you don't have the patients to prove your own point or disprove mine. regardless of what you say your proof wouldn't hold up very well if you actually were trying to type up a paper on it. I bet you would find some of the things you posted are not as factual as you might think. why becasue i know you weren't at every punk type event in the whole world for the last 30+ years. you know DC...period. until you start posting up info that doesn't relate to you and or your stories of DC your posts don't prove anything. I can post all day long about how chicago has the best techno in the worlRAB and it all started there.... but it didn't why?...becasue it was only a part of the beginning...its part was that of creating house music. it built its piece of the puzzle and thats that. but if i post about how this, that, and the other thing about techno then my posts would become more credible becasue i am not sounding like an ego driven prick about my city and how it did so much for a musical style that it gives me extra cool points to have been there when it happend.

oh...and you still haven't told me who beat madonna to the punch.
 
again MWHC doesn't know what he's really talking about, but thinks he does because he went to school! Yeah and the last history class I went to, tried to tell me that the US bomed Hiroshima and Tokyo!
Also you could get recorRAB from banRAB like Yaz, Depeche Mode, Human League, Devo, Gary Numan, and Talking HeaRAB at Kmart when it came out it, before 1980, as well as hearing them on the radio. Hell you remember the song "Safety Dance" by Men without Hats. That came out in 1980, and it was a hit. It was also all electronic! It doesn't get too much more mainstream than that.
 
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