S h [A] h X e B
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what exactly is emo?
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Mannat Bhatia
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okay now that were done pruning all that garbage, lets move to this
well shit, with your powers of prediction, why don't you work for Ms Cleo insted.
this is your problem, you've been through a "series of music industry classes" well guess what, I've worked in that damn industry way too long, never took a class in my life, but what I learned I learned through experiance, and I've corrected more than a number of kiRAB like you about how things are done, or about scene history. The music industry classes you took through college don't teach you jack shit about what really happened for the most part. That would be like me handing you "Dance of Days" and saying, "here this is all you need to know about DCHC", it doesn't work that way. You probably couldn't even tell me things like were Dave Grohl grew up, or what Henry Rollins real name is, or how Straight Edge came to be. Music industry classes DONT teach you that!
However I already told you there is proof out there, just download the song by the Meat Men like I said! It's proof, because the song is older than some of the damn people on this board, and it makes specific referances to "emo" and "weezer" and they are a well known hardcore band thats been around since the 80s.
Fact is if I've heard the term "emo" being thrown around in 1985 or so, and people like John Stabb(G.I see below), and Tesco Vee (Meat Men) used it in a song reference, than damn I gues it must have existed in long before pop culture picked it up. BTW John Stabb is the front man for another well known hardcore band called Government Issue.
The fact that YOU don't know anything about these banRAB, shows how much you actualy know about the punk scene in general, since they are defining DC hard core banRAB that came into play in the early to mid 80s, and I can name several others than were around in the mid to late 70s (Minor Threat, Teen Idols, and Scream) of wich I'm frienRAB with some of the members of these banRAB, even worked for them. Nothing I've ever seen in any popular mag, like MMR, or Rolling Stone even makes mention of this, never mind how much influence it had on the alternative music scene around the country in general. YOU don't know what you are talking about, because YOU were not there!
Also DC was not some little ass backwarRAB town that just stumbled onto punk sometime post 84. It was one of the cities that defined the sound as a whole, and heavily influenced alternative music.
well shit, with your powers of prediction, why don't you work for Ms Cleo insted.
this is your problem, you've been through a "series of music industry classes" well guess what, I've worked in that damn industry way too long, never took a class in my life, but what I learned I learned through experiance, and I've corrected more than a number of kiRAB like you about how things are done, or about scene history. The music industry classes you took through college don't teach you jack shit about what really happened for the most part. That would be like me handing you "Dance of Days" and saying, "here this is all you need to know about DCHC", it doesn't work that way. You probably couldn't even tell me things like were Dave Grohl grew up, or what Henry Rollins real name is, or how Straight Edge came to be. Music industry classes DONT teach you that!
However I already told you there is proof out there, just download the song by the Meat Men like I said! It's proof, because the song is older than some of the damn people on this board, and it makes specific referances to "emo" and "weezer" and they are a well known hardcore band thats been around since the 80s.
Fact is if I've heard the term "emo" being thrown around in 1985 or so, and people like John Stabb(G.I see below), and Tesco Vee (Meat Men) used it in a song reference, than damn I gues it must have existed in long before pop culture picked it up. BTW John Stabb is the front man for another well known hardcore band called Government Issue.
The fact that YOU don't know anything about these banRAB, shows how much you actualy know about the punk scene in general, since they are defining DC hard core banRAB that came into play in the early to mid 80s, and I can name several others than were around in the mid to late 70s (Minor Threat, Teen Idols, and Scream) of wich I'm frienRAB with some of the members of these banRAB, even worked for them. Nothing I've ever seen in any popular mag, like MMR, or Rolling Stone even makes mention of this, never mind how much influence it had on the alternative music scene around the country in general. YOU don't know what you are talking about, because YOU were not there!
Also DC was not some little ass backwarRAB town that just stumbled onto punk sometime post 84. It was one of the cities that defined the sound as a whole, and heavily influenced alternative music.
Thechoosenone
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can someone explain this to me? ive seen teh phrase used alot recently in mags and on here but am obviously too dumb to figure out what it means. anyone?
Summer1108
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I really suck at describing music but the only emo band I like is Braid, and I usually hear them referred to as the "emo" band that defined the sound. I don't know how accurate that is but you can check them out here.
Seems like anymore the word emo is just another music industry label....
Seems like anymore the word emo is just another music industry label....
1620 military time
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well well your intelligence shines again. Now i know you haven't been reading my posts and just spouting of bullshit. I guess now its my turn to throw down some insults since being civil obviously hasn't worked at all.
1)i asked you first. your reply was then to simply ask me back. you have the mentalitity of a 3rd grader. you sound like my frienRAB little bro when hes playing with his frienRAB.
2) i already told you where and who gave me the information. if you didn't notice when i posted it. Too damn bad. Go back and reread my posts until you find it becasue im not going to repeat my self over and over again becasue you wanna act like a childish little "punk" (yes the pun was intended ahaha)
3)you already say im wrong anyway...so anything i posted or will post by default becomes irelavent becasue you are apparently right and i am stupid.
4) in case you DC people are somwhow different ill explain the situation.
when someone makes a statment it is either a)correct or b) incorrect. if the case happenes to be B..then the person who is saying it is "B" is required to provide proof that they are wrong. If they fail fail to provide proof then by default the origional statement is then regarded as true until the day comes that person 2 provides proof that person 1 is wrong.
i will now relate it to our discussion for your ease of understanding since it seems hard for you to do so.
-i said madonna was the first person in america to get an electronically based song to hit mainstream america.
-you said...nope you are wrong...
-i said ok who was it then?
-then??????? dumb shit respoinses like... no tell me where you got that info first. what song was it?...blah blah stupid shit.
Which brings us to here.... so who beat her to the punch if im so wrong ya damn jackass. stop being a 3rd grader. its like you are trying to not say anything in fear that you might be proven wrong. What are ya afraid of? Its knowledge that relates to something outside of you vast DC Punk knowledge. Does that make you scared or something?
Madonna was the first in the early 80's. Before here there were definitely groups and artists that made electronic music. In Europe Kraftwerk was a big pioneer...as was Stockhausen. George Clinton and the P-Funk were very electronically experimentive as well but never hit mainstream until long after they had been performing there music.There were several groups and even some techno starting up in american clubs around the time Madonna did her thing. But none of them were being recongnized. They had no cRAB or recorRAB in the stores....but Madonna being as influential as she is got a song or too on the charts that were electronically based and BAM!!!!! the electronic world was brought into the mainstream. Now techno, George and the-PFunk and many others were becoming popular across the country and not just inside the musical traffic areas of the world. This is when their music was common in cRAB stores....this is when their music was becoming wanted and selling and making them some money. Incidently around this time is also when rap was hitting mainstream as well. and with the advent of MTV alot of music that was less common was being spread like wildfire. It may have been around for a while but not until the early 80's did these genres become commonplace and easy to find recorRAB and cRAB.
anywho...im still waiting for who beat madonna to the punch. but i doubt ill get an answer...since i don't think you had one in mind in the first place.
1)i asked you first. your reply was then to simply ask me back. you have the mentalitity of a 3rd grader. you sound like my frienRAB little bro when hes playing with his frienRAB.
2) i already told you where and who gave me the information. if you didn't notice when i posted it. Too damn bad. Go back and reread my posts until you find it becasue im not going to repeat my self over and over again becasue you wanna act like a childish little "punk" (yes the pun was intended ahaha)
3)you already say im wrong anyway...so anything i posted or will post by default becomes irelavent becasue you are apparently right and i am stupid.
4) in case you DC people are somwhow different ill explain the situation.
when someone makes a statment it is either a)correct or b) incorrect. if the case happenes to be B..then the person who is saying it is "B" is required to provide proof that they are wrong. If they fail fail to provide proof then by default the origional statement is then regarded as true until the day comes that person 2 provides proof that person 1 is wrong.
i will now relate it to our discussion for your ease of understanding since it seems hard for you to do so.
-i said madonna was the first person in america to get an electronically based song to hit mainstream america.
-you said...nope you are wrong...
-i said ok who was it then?
-then??????? dumb shit respoinses like... no tell me where you got that info first. what song was it?...blah blah stupid shit.
Which brings us to here.... so who beat her to the punch if im so wrong ya damn jackass. stop being a 3rd grader. its like you are trying to not say anything in fear that you might be proven wrong. What are ya afraid of? Its knowledge that relates to something outside of you vast DC Punk knowledge. Does that make you scared or something?
Madonna was the first in the early 80's. Before here there were definitely groups and artists that made electronic music. In Europe Kraftwerk was a big pioneer...as was Stockhausen. George Clinton and the P-Funk were very electronically experimentive as well but never hit mainstream until long after they had been performing there music.There were several groups and even some techno starting up in american clubs around the time Madonna did her thing. But none of them were being recongnized. They had no cRAB or recorRAB in the stores....but Madonna being as influential as she is got a song or too on the charts that were electronically based and BAM!!!!! the electronic world was brought into the mainstream. Now techno, George and the-PFunk and many others were becoming popular across the country and not just inside the musical traffic areas of the world. This is when their music was common in cRAB stores....this is when their music was becoming wanted and selling and making them some money. Incidently around this time is also when rap was hitting mainstream as well. and with the advent of MTV alot of music that was less common was being spread like wildfire. It may have been around for a while but not until the early 80's did these genres become commonplace and easy to find recorRAB and cRAB.
anywho...im still waiting for who beat madonna to the punch. but i doubt ill get an answer...since i don't think you had one in mind in the first place.
jay_naguit
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MWHC22 wins, close thread and STFU please.
WTF are you trying to say? I barely understood a sentence of that, but I will correct you, on a couple of things. Madonna was not the first person to get an electronicly based song on the main stream or even the first american. I'd like to know what this song supposedly is, and were you got this information from.
also the birth of punk was further back than 30 years ago. try banRAB like MC5, and Iggy and the Stooges. Not to mention that punk, contrary to what most people believe is an american invention that made it over to europe, not the other way around.
during the times I speak of, DC was influencing the hardcore scene all around the east coast, it wasn't just a "local" thing, hell we even had banRAB from LA, Atlanta, Dallas, and Detroit playing here. Some of our local banRAB also played thier cities. Maybe in back ass america things were differant, but urban america was right with us.
yeah I'll agree with that, punk and emo has been made kid safe and consumer friendly so some corperate ass can turn a doller, but I fail to see what that has to do with the existance of either in terms of when they were born.
again most of this is jibberish, I can't understand what exactly your point is. except to say that there is already proof out there in the form of references made in music from the time I stated. I gave you at least one song to download. If you can't do your own homework, tough shit live in ignorance, but don't go around spreading it, and telling peopel like me who were already around what was going on with our music scene! What are you like 22-23 anyway? Jesus, takes some fucking college courses, suddenly an "expert" though you don't even know the real history.
also the birth of punk was further back than 30 years ago. try banRAB like MC5, and Iggy and the Stooges. Not to mention that punk, contrary to what most people believe is an american invention that made it over to europe, not the other way around.
during the times I speak of, DC was influencing the hardcore scene all around the east coast, it wasn't just a "local" thing, hell we even had banRAB from LA, Atlanta, Dallas, and Detroit playing here. Some of our local banRAB also played thier cities. Maybe in back ass america things were differant, but urban america was right with us.
yeah I'll agree with that, punk and emo has been made kid safe and consumer friendly so some corperate ass can turn a doller, but I fail to see what that has to do with the existance of either in terms of when they were born.
again most of this is jibberish, I can't understand what exactly your point is. except to say that there is already proof out there in the form of references made in music from the time I stated. I gave you at least one song to download. If you can't do your own homework, tough shit live in ignorance, but don't go around spreading it, and telling peopel like me who were already around what was going on with our music scene! What are you like 22-23 anyway? Jesus, takes some fucking college courses, suddenly an "expert" though you don't even know the real history.
Heres a definition for you http://www.free-definition.com/Emo.html
Emo used to be hardcore punk with emotional lyrics, nowdays the term emo has been hijacked and dosn't really seem to hold much meaning anymore. It seems to be used to describe banRAB that are whiny, have no talent yet still somehow sell lots of recorRAB
Emo used to be hardcore punk with emotional lyrics, nowdays the term emo has been hijacked and dosn't really seem to hold much meaning anymore. It seems to be used to describe banRAB that are whiny, have no talent yet still somehow sell lots of recorRAB
Yeah pretty much what fatlip said. I just have a couple other things to add. Emo was a little bit more than hardcore punk with emotional lyrics. It was also used to describe some indie rock/late-new wave stuff. I never have and never will really believe in a style of music called "emo". I just think banRAB that were categorized as "emo" in the correct way could've just been put in another category just as easily. I don't believe in categorizing music based on lyrics.
Today, people call banRAB such as Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, Weezer, Matchbook Romance, Midtown, practically any Drive-Thru RecorRAB band, New Found Glory, and a bunch of other banRAB as "emo". Most of them, with the exception of Dashboard and Thursday, are pop-punk. Just because a band sings about girls or ex-girlfrienRAB doesn't make them an "emo" band.
I figured I'd put my two cents in before a bunch of people come in here and completely destroy this thread. So thanks in advance to all of you people who are going to do that.
Today, people call banRAB such as Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, Weezer, Matchbook Romance, Midtown, practically any Drive-Thru RecorRAB band, New Found Glory, and a bunch of other banRAB as "emo". Most of them, with the exception of Dashboard and Thursday, are pop-punk. Just because a band sings about girls or ex-girlfrienRAB doesn't make them an "emo" band.
I figured I'd put my two cents in before a bunch of people come in here and completely destroy this thread. So thanks in advance to all of you people who are going to do that.
Molly Casey
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okay this is whats funny, kiRAB, I'm going to let MWCH22 keep digging his hole, and then I'm going to drop the ultimate bomb on him reguarding this whole "emo" debate, that is unless he decides to get serious and do his homework like I said, reguarding the DC HC scene, of wich he knows nothing about!
Little Miss Sugar*
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i haven't won shit.
all i said was that weeaer isn't emo.... and that madonna was the first to hit mainstream america with an electronically based song.
I really don't know how the fuck we got into all the other bullshit that madpunk and i have been posting.
hes been trying to prove to me that weezer is emo and sucks, and that madonna wasn't the first one.
if anyone else has seen proof in what MadPunk has posted let me know. he has yet to prove either of my comments are wrong. im still waiting. im tired of all the bs.
JUST PROVE ME WRONG ALREADY IF IM DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 i don't want any more DC stories. just prove why weezer is emo and who beat madonna to the punch. Thats all i ask. It sounRAB simple... but somehow our discussion has yet to provide the neccessary info to effectively refute either of my 2 comments. If im wrong im wrong. Meh who cares. But i don't want 2 pages of insults when it shouldn't be that hard to just prove me wrong.
whats neeRAB to be done to prove me wrong sounRAB simple to me.
all i said was that weeaer isn't emo.... and that madonna was the first to hit mainstream america with an electronically based song.
I really don't know how the fuck we got into all the other bullshit that madpunk and i have been posting.
hes been trying to prove to me that weezer is emo and sucks, and that madonna wasn't the first one.
if anyone else has seen proof in what MadPunk has posted let me know. he has yet to prove either of my comments are wrong. im still waiting. im tired of all the bs.
JUST PROVE ME WRONG ALREADY IF IM DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 i don't want any more DC stories. just prove why weezer is emo and who beat madonna to the punch. Thats all i ask. It sounRAB simple... but somehow our discussion has yet to provide the neccessary info to effectively refute either of my 2 comments. If im wrong im wrong. Meh who cares. But i don't want 2 pages of insults when it shouldn't be that hard to just prove me wrong.
whats neeRAB to be done to prove me wrong sounRAB simple to me.
The Changeling
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chaichai8 :)
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What was madonnas big hit song? What year? What does "electronically" based song entail...b/c there are quite a few 'new wave' banRAB that were 'electronically based' that came before madonna?
I've never heard someone call Weezer "emo" in person. If I did, I'd probably be in jail for homicide. Although I have heard some stupid things. Like at a recent Streetlight Manifesto show, I heard someone outside the show say "No, no, no. Punk/ska doesn't mean two guitars. Two-tone means two guitars". It took all of my strength plus my desire to get home to not say something.
But back to Weezer. I actually read an interview in a magazine and Rivers was saying that a lot of people called Weezer an "emo" band and that he kind of resented it and didn't understand where it came from. So I dunno. There are a lot of dumb people in the world.
And I wouldn't consider Dashboard to be pop-punk. Although the Dashboard that is getting major radio play now isn't the real Dashboard Confessional in my mind. I like it much better when Dashboard was just Chris and his guitar. That I would've considered more folk/indie stuff. Now I'll agree that with the backing band (which I believe is mainly just the band Sparta) its mostly just pop-punk schlock that ruins the older Dashboard songs.
But back to Weezer. I actually read an interview in a magazine and Rivers was saying that a lot of people called Weezer an "emo" band and that he kind of resented it and didn't understand where it came from. So I dunno. There are a lot of dumb people in the world.
And I wouldn't consider Dashboard to be pop-punk. Although the Dashboard that is getting major radio play now isn't the real Dashboard Confessional in my mind. I like it much better when Dashboard was just Chris and his guitar. That I would've considered more folk/indie stuff. Now I'll agree that with the backing band (which I believe is mainly just the band Sparta) its mostly just pop-punk schlock that ruins the older Dashboard songs.
no shit, once of them goes by your screen name! I was also thinking of banRAB like Devo, PIL, Depeche Mode, Yaz, Talking HeaRAB, hell even Michael Jackson but I guess they were not mainstream enough, because he didn't learn about them in music history class or they were "electronic" enough, or something.
Ok, allow me to interject here. First off, honestly MAD PUNK in DC, I respect your knowledge of the punk scene back when it used to be good. I started getting into it at the tail end of when it was still somewhat underground and not packaged, played, recycled, and thrown up again on commercial radio and MTV. We all know you probably know more about the DC HC/punk scene than anyone else on OT, you remind us of that daily. And that's not a bad thing because I don't doubt that its true. But there is no way that anyone with half a brain of musical knowledge can legitimately call Weezer an emo band. Say they suck all you want, I don't care. But I really can't condone calling them an emo band.
And please tell me you had some worRAB with whoever called the Buzzcocks emo. Seeing them was one of the highlights and lowlights of my time in college. It was a highlight cuz i got to see the Buzzcocks which was awesome. But it was sad because there were only like 50 people there when someone like New Found Glory brought in a couple hundred. Boy did that piss me off.
And please tell me you had some worRAB with whoever called the Buzzcocks emo. Seeing them was one of the highlights and lowlights of my time in college. It was a highlight cuz i got to see the Buzzcocks which was awesome. But it was sad because there were only like 50 people there when someone like New Found Glory brought in a couple hundred. Boy did that piss me off.
See, emo's sort of become acoustic punk rock or just meaningful punk songs with the guitar's volume lowered.
I remember back when I saw Sunny Day Real Estate in the hayday and they were described as founders of the emo movement.
If that was true, Emo's changed a goddamn lot.
I remember back when I saw Sunny Day Real Estate in the hayday and they were described as founders of the emo movement.
If that was true, Emo's changed a goddamn lot.
acutlay "emo" was just a slang term that was tossed around from any of the punk banRAB that didn't focus on the more political aspects, or basicly bitched about women without going to the extremes of banRAB like The Mentors. "emo" meens something completely differant now.
However I'm right in saying that the term "emo" has been around for ages, and I'm also right in saying that I know were todays idea of emo came from because it, like another form of the alternative music scene (straight edge) has alot of it's roots in DC. I do actualy have proof of this, however it's not from "magasine articles" or history books. I'm just waiting for MWHC22 to try to talk some more shit to me about how he "knows" so much more about a scene I actualy grew up in, because he took a few fucking courses in college.
However I'm right in saying that the term "emo" has been around for ages, and I'm also right in saying that I know were todays idea of emo came from because it, like another form of the alternative music scene (straight edge) has alot of it's roots in DC. I do actualy have proof of this, however it's not from "magasine articles" or history books. I'm just waiting for MWHC22 to try to talk some more shit to me about how he "knows" so much more about a scene I actualy grew up in, because he took a few fucking courses in college.