What E or I is there in E/I cartoons?

hamsterfreak

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Are E/I cartoons earning their keep?

What is there about them that deserves to be called educational or informative?

Seems to me that once you leave PBS it?s rare to find an E/I show that isn?t a complete sham.
Outside of a vague message about sharing and caring, and that everybody should get along, what is there?
On what subject do they educate, what is the information a kid is supposed to take away from the show?

I thought I?d start fresh, watch a few of these cartoons, give them as fair a shot as I can to see what E/I value can be found, then post the results here.

If anyone else wants to try, think of it as a scavenger hunt.
Double points if the show is not on PBS.
 
Qubo Channel has shows that are educational. I don't know. Umm... Well I know they air "The Magic School Bus," "The Mysteries of Alfred Hedgehog" (which has science related things) and other shows. ;)
 
Then couldnt all those shows that had show-ending morals/psas (GI Joe, He-Man, M.A.S.K., Jem, etc) count as E/I? Or does the lesson/moral have to be part of the story?
 
To tell the truth, I don’t know what qualifies a program as E/I other then staying free of certain commercial content and happy thoughts.
That's why I thought it may be interesting to assess the value of the shows ourselves.

You can look at the FCC filing for commercial stations and their descriptions of the programs.
http://licensing.fcc.gov/KidVid/public/report/10/query.faces
It’s not impressive.
With a little work it would be possible to come up with an equally rosy description of the least kid friendly show there is.

You can file complaints if a program has commercial violations, but if your kid gets dumber for watching it, you’ll just have to live with that.
 
To be honest, a lot of shows that air in the mornings with the E/I logo aren't always "educational" or "informational", I remember back in the early 90's when NBC started airing E/I shows due to the mandate they basically just slapped the E/I logo on any old show, heck, even Saved By The Bell had the logo on it for a short period of time.These days I think the networks are more prone to put the logo on a show that is in fact educational or informational but back in the days lot's of random shows that have previously been airing had the logo because the major networks needed to play by the rules, so to speak.
 
Some examples:

[Veggie Tales] Values and stuff.

[Jane & the Dragon] Values, problem-solving skills and stuff.

[Magic School Bus] Science!

[W.I.T.C.H.] You got me.
 
So I watched a sampling of conveniently timed educational tv today.


Doodlebops Rockin’ Road Show

Episode: Rooney’s Robot

They need extra speakers for the concert so they try Rooney’s robot to load them on the bus, but the robot doesn’t work so well.
The guest kid shows up and they ask him how he got so good at riding a bike.
Stay positive and keep at it.
So Rooney decides not to give up on the robot and fixes it. The concert is a success!


E/I: If you don’t stay positive you’ll never try, and if you don’t try you’ll never do it.
You know, I almost used the same moral as part of a post a while back, but I closed the window instead because the thread was too negative. Now I just feel like I disappointed the Doodlebops. :sad:

Turbo Dogs
Episode: The little car the clunked

During a race the car of one of the dogs falls apart. It’s going to be in the shop and he’ll miss his next race, so the mechanic gives him a loner.

The loner is a piece of junk. It doesn’t even have automatic seat belts. To me the automatic seat belts just look like lazy animation anyhow.
But the car has some sort of robotic hand and helps the dog fix itself up.
It’s still too slow though, so he takes it back to the mechanic who remembers it has it’s speed limiter switch on. Now it’s the best car ever and they win the race.

E/I: Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
There are so many plot holes a kid could only get dumber watching it.
If cars can help fix themselves, why do they need mechanics? If it knows so much about fixing itself, why didn’t it do something about the limiter switch? If it’s such a fantastic car, why would he ever want his old one back?


Emperors New School
Episode: Squeakend at Bucky’s

Bucky helps Kuzco learn squirrel talk. Kuzco just uses it to get close to Malina until he gets stuck in a stump and squirrel talk is the only way to save Bucky from getting run over by a mango cart.

E/I: Learning a new language isn’t completely useless.
Duh!

Episode: Kuzco Fever

Kuzco learns if he is sick he gets access to his money, so he fakes it.
Yzma uses a potion to make him sick for real so he’ll miss enough school and not become emperor.
He doesn’t want that so he has to eat a ton of potato beetle stew.

E/I: I guess he got his comeuppance for being a faker.


Pearlie
Episode: Fairy-tastic fall

The Fall Fairy is delayed, and everyone is mad that it’s still summer, but he thinks everyone hates him.
Pearlie gives him a pep-talk.
Every season is beautiful and important in it’s own way.

E/I: Our differences make us special.

Episode: Secret of the Whispers

Frogs are humming, making the bad girl angry for waking her up.

Opal has exams, but to get even the bad girl is making too much noise.
She passes with perfect marks, so Pearlie wants to throw her a surprise party.
The bad girl convinces Opal it’s her going away party and almost leaves, but has to say good bye to her friends first., then finds out the real reason for the party.

E/I: Pearlie shouldn’t keep secrets from her friends.
What a sucky moral. Don’t keep a surprise party a secret? What about thinking the worst and taking the word of people that are out to screw you at every turn?
But they have a “Pearls of wisdom” segment to tell you the moral incase you missed it.


Sabrina’s Secret Life
Episode: And baby makes 3

Her aunts are going out.
Bad girls want her to have a party, so suddenly she is.
Even though her aunts didn’t tell her about it, a babysitter show up. They try to make her young so she’ll want to party, but end up turning her into a baby.
Taking care of the baby cost her all her money and she can’t enjoy the party.

The bad girl turns baby back to normal. Babysitter tells the aunts about the parties. Sabrina is grounded.

E/I: None of the characters came out and said what the moral was, so I don’t know.:p
If she hadn’t given into peer pressure she wouldn’t have caused trouble. But if her plan worked better she wouldn’t have gotten caught.
But then again, if this was Pearlie the moral would have been not to keep being a witch a secret from her friends.

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Not really rocket science here.
If wasn’t for E/I programming I guess it would be lord of the flies out there, with grade schoolers solving problems with guns and a complex vocabulary.


Here’s how the above shows are explained to the FCC to deserve the E/I rating.
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Nowadays, most E/I rated programs should be considered...
Entertaining and Interesting!

I mean really, even before the introduction of E/I, shows were a lot more educational than they are now. :p
 
Well...at least the E/I rule keeps cartoons on broadcast TV.

If they ever repealed the E/I rule, you can guarantee that the networks would all immediately yank their Saturday morning schedules.
 
It took awhile to realize, but Magi-Nation actually does use the e/i rule to its advantage. I used to think it was the puzzle-solving aspect, but actually the characters will say a fact (usually Tony talking about how something on Earth may relate to something in the Moonlands) that is relevant or required. In a recent episode, the gang was climbing a mountain, and the characters discussed light-headedness and Tony and the Final Dreamers attempted to ascend the mountain in a rush and nearly passed out.

Honestly, that's what I love about Magi-Nation. Some say it's a rip-off of Pok?mon, but I remember in Pok?mon, the kids ascended a mountain wearing nothing but their usual attire (Misty in short-shorts and all) and felt nothing a little cold. No lightheadedness, no frost-bite, no nothing. I just wish more cartoons would take advantage of this... I'm looking at you, new SpongeBob episodes and your sponges not reproducing asexually!
 
I can understand the whole E/I thing, but ABC Kids air the same 13 episodes of all their Disney Channel shows, without adding more that those same 13.

Many viewers are tired of the same 13 episodes of season one of The Replacements on ABC. I would like them to either air the rest of season one, or air most of season two.

ABC Kids needs to air some of the old school Disney cartoons like Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, etc. ABC Kids is dead to me.

Cookie Jar TV is just as worse, when you have a Hulu type site for kids called Jaroo that doesn't update most of their shows, or remove older ones for newer ones.

On the good side, Nickelodeon/Nick Jr. is doing a good job with shows like Dora and Blue's Clues still keeping kids E/I. The only two Nick shows that are E/I are Doug/Disney's Doug and Rugrats/All Grown Up.
 
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