I thank you for that. Already tried to install it on ubuntu 9.10 a couple of times and always had some problems. Can't remember now, but I suppose they were related to permissions or sth like that.I'll be sure to stick it in the BT guides forum here when it's done
What.cd and Waffles ban Azureus and Deluge
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I shake your hand. :yup:
twinkiebear5
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As staff on this tracker, one of our responsibilities is policing the swarms and making sure that everyone plays fair. Another related responsibility is the management of the client whitelist, to ensure that new clients are added as they're deemed safe, and old clients are removed as they're deemed irrelevant/problematic. On Monday the 22nd, we will be performing a significant set of changes to the client whitelist.
Deluge will be removed from the whitelist. After performing an analysis on our swarms, we found that over 4088 downloads, deluge downloaded, on average, 15.4% more data than the size of the torrent. As it is hard enough for users to maintain ratios already, we feel that it is a bad idea to allow deluge to make this situation worse. This change affects 1.3% of our userbase.
More importantly, all versions of azureus/vuze will be removed from the whitelist. This move is being made in conjunction with our friends over at waffles.fm. Vuze users, see below for instructions on how to easily transfer the .torrent files from Vuze to any other client.
Vuze's twilight hour started approaching when they changed their name from Azureus and began to commercialize their already bloated client. Over the years, this caused its market share to shrink considerably in favour of uTorrent, rtorrent, and transmission. Its ease of modification by cheat client developers and habit of constantly reporting very low upload speeds when no one is downloading anything cause unnecessary headaches for the staff. Additionally, the notoriety of the vuze developers for disliking and refusing to cooperate with private tracker staff has only served to worsen the situation.
Vuze's market share has shrunken to 7.1% of our userbase. We are well aware that you 7.1% are still a lot of people - however, we feel that in the long run, you and the rest of the userbase will benefit if you change to a better client.
Our client recommendations are as follows:
Windows: uTorrent 2.x and uTorrent 1.8.x. There is a certain level of controversy surrounding the 'unfairness' of uTorrent 2.0's new protocol (uTP) in the private tracker community. Failing to find evidence of this unfairness ourselves, and seeing significant benefits to the adoption of uTP, we have decided to make uTorrent 2.0 our #1 recommended client - however, be aware that you may not be able to use this client on other trackers.
Mac: uTorrent Mac 0.9.x and Transmission 1.8.x. Both clients are excellent, and transmission has a very friendly and cooperative dev team. To create torrents, you can use the CreateTorrent dashboard widget or the mktorrent command line utility.
Linux: rtorrent 0.8.x, Transmission 1.8.x, KTorrent 3.x, and uTorrent in WINE. rtorrent is WhatMan's very fast personal favourite, and all hardcore linux users should be using it. There also exist numerous frontends for it, such as ntorrent, rutorrent and wTorrent, in case you aren't up to using the console like a man.
If you use deluge or vuze, we understand that this change may be inconvenient for you. We also understand that you may feel a great deal of rage right now, due to the loss of your traditional client which has no doubt treated you with loyalty for many years. However, we implore you to think of the long term benefits for the site and staff, and yourselves - you'll be surprised at what your system can do with the RAM that vuze isn't hogging anymore.
In order to make the transition easier, we have given all users the ability to download a zip file with all of their snatches - click [download] next to the 'Snatched' stat on your profile. This also means that all users now have access to the collector - a feature to download all torrents by an artist, in a collage, or in your bookmarks.
If you use Vuze, please follow these steps to export your client's .torrent files (and thanks to sonicsnare for kindly sharing this info!):
sonicsnare wrote:
Make a new folder, select all torrents, right-click or option-click->advanced->export->torrent
All your .torrent files are duplicated whether you had them or not.
We apologize for the short term inconvenience this will cause, and thank you for your cooperation.
Deluge will be removed from the whitelist. After performing an analysis on our swarms, we found that over 4088 downloads, deluge downloaded, on average, 15.4% more data than the size of the torrent. As it is hard enough for users to maintain ratios already, we feel that it is a bad idea to allow deluge to make this situation worse. This change affects 1.3% of our userbase.
More importantly, all versions of azureus/vuze will be removed from the whitelist. This move is being made in conjunction with our friends over at waffles.fm. Vuze users, see below for instructions on how to easily transfer the .torrent files from Vuze to any other client.
Vuze's twilight hour started approaching when they changed their name from Azureus and began to commercialize their already bloated client. Over the years, this caused its market share to shrink considerably in favour of uTorrent, rtorrent, and transmission. Its ease of modification by cheat client developers and habit of constantly reporting very low upload speeds when no one is downloading anything cause unnecessary headaches for the staff. Additionally, the notoriety of the vuze developers for disliking and refusing to cooperate with private tracker staff has only served to worsen the situation.
Vuze's market share has shrunken to 7.1% of our userbase. We are well aware that you 7.1% are still a lot of people - however, we feel that in the long run, you and the rest of the userbase will benefit if you change to a better client.
Our client recommendations are as follows:
Windows: uTorrent 2.x and uTorrent 1.8.x. There is a certain level of controversy surrounding the 'unfairness' of uTorrent 2.0's new protocol (uTP) in the private tracker community. Failing to find evidence of this unfairness ourselves, and seeing significant benefits to the adoption of uTP, we have decided to make uTorrent 2.0 our #1 recommended client - however, be aware that you may not be able to use this client on other trackers.
Mac: uTorrent Mac 0.9.x and Transmission 1.8.x. Both clients are excellent, and transmission has a very friendly and cooperative dev team. To create torrents, you can use the CreateTorrent dashboard widget or the mktorrent command line utility.
Linux: rtorrent 0.8.x, Transmission 1.8.x, KTorrent 3.x, and uTorrent in WINE. rtorrent is WhatMan's very fast personal favourite, and all hardcore linux users should be using it. There also exist numerous frontends for it, such as ntorrent, rutorrent and wTorrent, in case you aren't up to using the console like a man.
If you use deluge or vuze, we understand that this change may be inconvenient for you. We also understand that you may feel a great deal of rage right now, due to the loss of your traditional client which has no doubt treated you with loyalty for many years. However, we implore you to think of the long term benefits for the site and staff, and yourselves - you'll be surprised at what your system can do with the RAM that vuze isn't hogging anymore.
In order to make the transition easier, we have given all users the ability to download a zip file with all of their snatches - click [download] next to the 'Snatched' stat on your profile. This also means that all users now have access to the collector - a feature to download all torrents by an artist, in a collage, or in your bookmarks.
If you use Vuze, please follow these steps to export your client's .torrent files (and thanks to sonicsnare for kindly sharing this info!):
sonicsnare wrote:
Make a new folder, select all torrents, right-click or option-click->advanced->export->torrent
All your .torrent files are duplicated whether you had them or not.
We apologize for the short term inconvenience this will cause, and thank you for your cooperation.
Waffles and What.cd, over the course of several months, have discovered that Vuze and Deluge are primarily used by ratio cheaters. We are aware there's a handful of legitimate users, though, thus we are making this announcement. Effective Monday, both clients will be banned from both sites. You will not be banned from Waffles for using either program, but your ability to seed and leech will cease until you choose new torrent software.
For Windows, if for some reason you don't want
For Windows, if for some reason you don't want
Custom title or not, people that want to cheat can simply google their way to that info, as with pretty much anything else.
Uhm, I didn't know that, that's true. But honestly if you're such a good guy, then why cheat in the first place? I'm sure that if you were just honest from the start (and maybe whine a little about your slow connection :lol
, you would have been helped so much by now that you would not even need to think about cheating any time soon.I hate hypocrisy. Speaking of the true spirit of filesharing at one point and then ignoring it when it benefits you (no matter in how hard of a spot you are) is just that.
PS: I don't cheat, never have and I did have big problems at the very start with keeping a 1:1 ratio at my first tracker, RevoTT (mind you, no bonus system there). Cheating has very little to do with having a slow connection. If that were true, no Romanian would cheat.
PPS: The connections are not as good as in Portugal, Hugo. :naughty:
Cute_tweety_boo
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I'm on a shaped line so I rarely, if almost never, use the Vuze mod nowadays. There are lots of other ways to do the same, anyway. Hell, Notepad, Telnet and a calculator are enough.
Once again, the Vuze mod can spoof other clients. This move causes us pretty much no problems, while the "real" Vuze users are affected. Perhaps you should rethink who's really preventing you from using your favorite client.
Thank you very much for this piece of info. Could you quote the announcement here?
uTorrent is quite moddeable despite being closed-source, but the possibilities aren't endless because of that same fact. It's possible for a watchful tracker admin to analyze the way the mods send announces and code a script that can detect them - as a matter of fact, several ones have done so already.
Other clients or even standalone tools that don't connect to the peers but pose as uTorrent as a different deal.
Once again, the Vuze mod can spoof other clients. This move causes us pretty much no problems, while the "real" Vuze users are affected. Perhaps you should rethink who's really preventing you from using your favorite client.
Thank you very much for this piece of info. Could you quote the announcement here?
uTorrent is quite moddeable despite being closed-source, but the possibilities aren't endless because of that same fact. It's possible for a watchful tracker admin to analyze the way the mods send announces and code a script that can detect them - as a matter of fact, several ones have done so already.
Other clients or even standalone tools that don't connect to the peers but pose as uTorrent as a different deal.
I think that was meant as a joke bud :whistling
DallasCowboysRock
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Firon said:
Ok little oftopic but plz help
My frn few hrs ago invited me 2 what. a invite is in my mailbox (have not created acc)
the problem is I m using mainly uT 1.6.1 and Delgu (where uT161 is not allowed :dry And NOT WILLING 2 CHANGE or UPGRADE.
So can any one tell me if what allows uT 1.6.1
My frn few hrs ago invited me 2 what. a invite is in my mailbox (have not created acc)
the problem is I m using mainly uT 1.6.1 and Delgu (where uT161 is not allowed :dry
And NOT WILLING 2 CHANGE or UPGRADE.So can any one tell me if what allows uT 1.6.1
gowrishanker v
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Isn't this more about making it easier for the staff/scripts to distinguish cheaters from 'bad' clients, rather than banning the clients a cheater uses?
One of the reasons they gave for banning Vuze is the amount of cheating coming from users running a mod of it, when that mod can spoof many other BitTorrent clients.
He is one of the most knowledgeable and active members on this board in the past month.
Also his knowledge in Bt client modification and coding that is used by BT clients is really helpful when topics such as this one come up.
Even the thought of banning such a golden member is absurd.
wierdxdood01
New member
I can't speak for the rest but I try to be easy-going myself. 
Oops, I'm so scared :O
Oops, I'm so scared :O
Wow. A blow to the vuze community - which is small, but quite vocal at times, I have found . Some people are gonna protest and rage, for sure...
But no matter what other tracker admins think, this is potentially a huge change in the private torrent community, and the fact that the already small vuze sizebase will likely disintegrate into nothing, combined with the issues of vuze pointed out in the what.cd announcement, will probably mean in time vuze won't even be used or accepted at ANY major private tracker - except for maybe random ones here or there. But for any trackers connected to or similar to what.cd in some way - the scale of allow/ban for vuze has certainly been tipped suddenly one way - like in his week's Lost episode...
My first thoughts about it anyway...
Hmm upon second thought, maybe it won't make huge waves - as funkin said, he doesn't use w/w that much (I don't either), so occasionally opening a second client isn't too outrageous. But yeah let's see if there's some sort of domino effect over time...
Oh and "This move is being made in conjunction with our friends over at waffles.fm." - Always nice to read a neighbourly remark like that
. Some people are gonna protest and rage, for sure...But no matter what other tracker admins think, this is potentially a huge change in the private torrent community, and the fact that the already small vuze sizebase will likely disintegrate into nothing, combined with the issues of vuze pointed out in the what.cd announcement, will probably mean in time vuze won't even be used or accepted at ANY major private tracker - except for maybe random ones here or there. But for any trackers connected to or similar to what.cd in some way - the scale of allow/ban for vuze has certainly been tipped suddenly one way - like in his week's Lost episode...
My first thoughts about it anyway...
Hmm upon second thought, maybe it won't make huge waves - as funkin said, he doesn't use w/w that much (I don't either), so occasionally opening a second client isn't too outrageous. But yeah let's see if there's some sort of domino effect over time...
Oh and "This move is being made in conjunction with our friends over at waffles.fm." - Always nice to read a neighbourly remark like that
agreed.The way I see it , anon has been nothing short of resourceful(technically) and also helped a lot of members here. I don't recall seeing any posts of his which encouraged fsters to cheat. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he likes in his private/professional life as long as it causes no harm to fsters. Heck I don't even know the guy, just judging from his posts.
More power to you anon,keep posting mate.
I love the way FST doesn't judge its members by their reputation on a particular torrent site or another forum. I feel privileged and proud to be a part of FST because of the unbiased treatment meted out to members. People would never express their views openly without fear if it wasn't for the free spirited nature of FST.
you can't reduce anon-sbi to a insignificant cheater, his vision of torrenting and his attitude toward sharing have nothing to do with his 'legitimacy' of being a member here, not to mention that he has been very helpful and courteous with every members so far.
our protectors of the right morals should remember that fst is not a private tracker nor the BT police.
same here.
i don't care about the client as long as i get my stuff.
Well apparently for the few that have their files organized across categorized folders, spanning many hard drives, etc. etc. it could be a giant pain in the ass for them.
I'm not trying to defend what what and waffles did (I disagree with it the client prohibiting as well) anyone who had so many categorized folders or had files scattered across multiple hard drives had it coming. They already spent the huge amount of effort required for such organization/redirecting of download directories in their clients and should've been aware of the risk/rewards of doing such a thing, in my opinion.
If he in anyway promotes cheating at FST, or if you feel any of his other posts strongly encouraged people to do so, you can report it if you wish.
Although personally as long as he doesn't purposefully promote such things his posts often provide alternative views/insights you don't normally see. And that's what forums are all about, right?
I'm not trying to defend what what and waffles did (I disagree with it the client prohibiting as well) anyone who had so many categorized folders or had files scattered across multiple hard drives had it coming. They already spent the huge amount of effort required for such organization/redirecting of download directories in their clients and should've been aware of the risk/rewards of doing such a thing, in my opinion.
If he in anyway promotes cheating at FST, or if you feel any of his other posts strongly encouraged people to do so, you can report it if you wish.
Although personally as long as he doesn't purposefully promote such things his posts often provide alternative views/insights you don't normally see. And that's what forums are all about, right?