what brings obama down first...debt or guns2mexico?

Did I say it was ridiculous or did I state that it was a new law that has come directly from law maker's observation of the perceived events with regarRAB to firearms in border state?

Now, that I have presented that question regarding my initial statement; yes, I think this new law is stupid. What does it do to stop the flow of gun into Mexico or limit the full-auto weapons that are being sold to the cartels? An inconvenience?
 
But, but, but ... that was David Ogden saying that. He obviously went rogue. Obama had no knowledge of it.

(Something tells me that even if you had a video of Obama himself standing up there ordering it, these Obama sacriders STILL wouldn't believe it.)
 
60 page report if you click the first link: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=fueling+cartel+violence

Shows how many guns were bought, how many were found and who controls what parts of Mexico.
 
Fast and Furious was part of Gun Runner.
Gun Runner had been around since the mid-2000's. Long before Obama was even running for President at the guidance of then President Bush's Admin. Fast and Furious didn't start until the fall of 2009. As shown in the video gun runner had been active already though.
 
Because you dismiss things they're automatically not possible?
There is one very obvious reason this mission was done...in an effort to track firearms movements to cartels from the US after the 2008-2009 shit came out about US dealers being the source of firearms. So they told the dealers to alert them, but let the sales go in hopes of tracking them. Which turned out to be stupid because it let ~2000 firearms go into Mexico.



How do you know there was no plan to track them. There were multiple occasions where guns were discovered not at a crime scene per say but in a raid...and later traced via the program. I wasn't aware you were part of the operation and were 100% in the loop as to their practices or how they did or didn't track the weapons.....care to share with us this inside info only you seem privy to? Because under the Bush Admin's project gun runner they had been tracing the weapons....this was an extension of that.



We do?
Yet after that date we don't have a quote listed yet where the ATF or Obama blamed these dealers that everyone is claiming were the covert target of these malicious motives. How does that make you suspicious. Had the admin continued their crusade against the dealers, fully knowing about the sales, it'd be different. They don't appear to have done that though, they appear to have backed off the dealers.



So just your guessing is what we're going to use?
This makes 0 sense.
It was a shitty part of a larger program that didn't work. The rest of this conspiracy about secret anti-gun motives Obama MUST have because Huntz0r thinks so, yet has very little evidence beyond guessing what is meant or guessing what did happen....is durab.
 
The stupid does hurt when you cite an article from the Bush Administration era as an example of how Obama and the liberals are out to steal your guns based on them bashing gun dealers. By them I of course mean administration officials of Bush.
 
Sad to think our highest ups would actually push for a program with hopes and intent that it would result in the murders of innocent people in one of our neigrabroadoring countries just to get a political agenda pushed through but it's starting to fall apart.

This will be much bigger and more broad than watergate ever was in the end.
 
Obama, Clinton, and Holder knew about this. Their agenda is gun control (in conjunction with the UN) and a disarmed citizenry. Manufacturing crisis is among the most potent of the democrats' subversive tactics.
 
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