Vista is shit. v.rant :mad:

bootcutboy

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I don't give a flying fuck what anyone says, it's shit. Plain and simple. I don't care how many cool new (and utterly useless) features there are, i don't care about how cool Aero looks, and i don't care about Microsofts claims that it's the most secure Windows yet, it's still shit. You can polish a turd any goddamned way you like and its still a turd. And it's an ugly, smelly, useless excuse for a turd at that. For all the problems that they've had with XP, i'll take it over vista anyday. Fuck, i'd even rather put Windows ME on a computer over vista. Microsoft can lick my taint, i'll never buy a microsoft product again.

Cliffs: Vista is shit, microsoft can lick my nether-reigons.
 
No, no, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

So, let me guess, after you installed it on your PC you found out that it's better if you just buy a completely new machine; that that way you don't have to worry about drivers, buying more memory, a faster processor, a DX10 capable video card, which in itself will necessitate a new motherboard, a new processor, a new power supply. Then came the real shocker, that you'll need to re-buy all your old programs because the old ones won't be updated. And that if you are really concerned with security, it'll only apply if you have a 64 bit processor. And for all that, you'll have to get rid of that 2 year old LCD because it isn't DRM certified.

Is that it, bunky?

There's plenty of us in the same boat.
 
Do you even know what tilt bits are?

Wait, you already answered that. You don't. If a problem arises in the driver com chain the driver can set the bit and initiate a reset of the driver (fyi: Vista can restart the video subsystem without a reboot) to prevent someone from trying to hack into protected (HDCP) content. If you are not doing that (odds are you are not playing any protected content anyway since it requires a blu-ray or HD-DVD drive and a disc with the protection bits turned on, which no studio is currently doing) then there is no issue.

The tilt bits also allow the drivers to crash and restart without BSOD'ing the system like they can do in XP. And believe me, with the elephant-shit drivers nVidia has been putting out for their cards for Vista, I've seen it happen more than once.

And polling 30 times a second at the driver level has a trivial performance impact unless you are trying to run vista on a Commodore 64. If it did you would start to see CPU time being eaten away by increasing DPC's, and so far I'm not seeing it on my build.
 
Um, no. I'm a pc tech so thankfully i've seen it on enough of our customers computers to draw the above conclusions. I couldn't be happier that i didn't have to find this out by, as you mentioned, re-buying a whole pc. I feel utterly sorry for those who have actually dished out their hard earned cash. It's gotten to the point where i refuse to reccommend it to anyone, no matter how much of a hard-on they have for it. Stick with XP, or get a Mac. God i'm sick of trying to clean up microsofts mistakes.
 
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Why not gander the whole article?

No, You'd probably wouldn't bother, so here's some more:

ibid.
 
I've already got one

As far as i'm concerned, Vista isn't for anyone.

Like the title says, i'm on a rant today. I'm fed up with it.
 
Im using it right now, fuck it took me like 25 minutes to figure out how to find the Run program, and my keyboard was incompatible, the question marks, commas, etc would all show up as completely different things.

Fuckin' Rainbow Six Vegas wont work either
 
Again, I already read that article. It's full of BS.

Summary, section by section:

Disabling of Functionality - Only applies to protected content. Not a MS mandate, but a MPAA mandate. Applies to any OS that wants to legally play HDCP protected content. Don't like it, don't by Blu-ray/HD-DVD. Has ZERO effect on any other content. This has been proven over an over by tests published online!

Indirect Disabling of Functionality - completely false. Considering that an exploit has been written to use the system audio to feed back to the voice command via the microphone, it's obvious that the pathway IS NOT RESTRICTED.

Decreased Playback Quality - Again, only applies to protected content. Not a MS mandate, MPAA mandate. Required of all HDCP compliant hardware and OS's

Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support - False and misleading. When was the last time you saw a fully Open-Source video card? There is no restriction in the OS to prevent open source drivers (See below for "driver signing"

Elimination of Unified Drivers - This has more to do with the driver model overhaul than any evil DRM. Same issue was faced going from 98 to XP

Problems with Drivers - a) again due to changes in driver model (for the good, btw) and b) driver signing IS NOT REQUIRED and CAN BE DISABLED (see Vista FAQ in comp forum)

Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation - They can revoke the signing cert, just like any SSL cert provider can revoke your SSL cert. See that used as a DDOS attack recently? Thought not. Again, if you want to pirate with a funky driver, you can disable signing as a requirement (EVEN IN 64 bit!)

Decreased System Reliability - Not only completely baseless but also 180 degrees from the truth. Under Vista systems are MORE RELIABLE. For example, in Vista if the video driver crashes, Vista will restart the video subsystem and reload the driver without a reboot or BSOD. Under XP, that would be an instant BSOD and reboot.

Increased Hardware Costs - Unlikely and blown way out to left field on this one. Again though, this is a requirement to support HDCP protected content, will be required of all OS's that legally display it. Got an issue with it, bitch to the MPAA and/or don't buy Blu-Ray/HD-DVD content. The cost impact on the hardware makers will be minimum over time

Increased Cost due to Requirement to License Unnecessary Third-party IP - No different than any other technology they license. They don't have to make HDCP compliant components if they don't want them (or if people don't ask for them). Again, not a MS problem.

Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption - Only applies when playing back protected content. Outside that, resource utilization for the driver checks is nil. This is easy to prove by just watching the idle CPU usage and monitoring for things like increased DPCs from drivers. They are not there.

Unnecessary Device Resource Consumption - AGAIN applies only when playing protected content (his own numbers prove it!) AGAIN a MPAA requirement, not MS.

How Effective is it Really? - Who cares. Since it has zero impact on my PC running vista but with no protected content, I sure don't





NONE of this is any different that what you will see when Apple starts shipping HD or Blu-Ray enabled Macs. It's the same thing that people with stand alone players will have to deal with. It has nothing to do with the OS. All Microsoft did was supply the end user with the ability to choose if they want to view HDCP content on their PC.
 
bwhahah, the stupidity is strong in this thread.

Hey, im not buying a Mac or going back to XP, wanna know my reasons?

1. Its shit.
2. You cant polish a turd.
3. My fag 8 year old computer cant run it. So its shit.
4. Umm...its just shit, i dont know.
 
Firstly, I'm pretty new to Mac OS. I've been running an intel box with OSX on it for about 6 months or so, and i liked it so i bought a Macbook a couple of weeks ago to get the full experience. I've been working on PC's for years and never have i been impressed by an OS like I am with OS X. When Leopard comes out i'm sure i'll be impressed once again, so i figure it's a pretty unbiased opinion.




There are too many reasons to list. For example, it's funny that the most secure version of windows yet will let a well known spyware app (Spydawn) install, but won't let any of my trusty removal tools (which worked fine in XP) access the files or hosts file to remove the infections. How about not being able to pick your ass without Vista asking you if you are sure? Its so goddamned secure that you can't even begin to try to fix it. Now i know i'm not deploying this in a network environment, so i can't really comment on that, but from a repair tech's POV it's a major pain in the ass. Not to mention that just about every machine i've seen it on so far is dog slow.
 
You can turn off User Access Control.

I didn't have a problem with it for a while, but eventually I got tired of the prompts (especially the way it switches in and out of Aero scheme to display them) so I disabled it. However, UAC is really no different from what you have to put up with in Linux running as a user. It's not a bad option to have.

BFD
 
Yea, i know you can turn it off, but then what have you got protecting your machine?

I guess i just see it as a cop out on microsofts part. Intead of figuring out how to beat these viruses and spyware apps, they just make everything ask the user's permission so if someone agrees to install crapware it's the users fault and not the lack of security offered by the OS
 
Since we like posting full articles: MS's rebuttal to FUD article above:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx
 
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