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Vinnie vs. Morgwen???
- Thread starter Riku
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Deviant Fish
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Vinnie my firend!
Now you closed your poll...
why? what do you fear?
Yes your trolls have give up the fight, and you are a coward!
King of bearshare.net!
Morgwen
Now you closed your poll...
why? what do you fear?
Yes your trolls have give up the fight, and you are a coward!
King of bearshare.net!
Morgwen
Charleen R
New member
Can't you read? This is General Gnutella also.
We do know Vinnie, don't waste time fighting against him or his loyal trolls.
We do know Vinnie, don't waste time fighting against him or his loyal trolls.
Rockin Chocolate
New member
It was indeed interesting to watch the whole story.
The Morgy tale
There is a loyal Bearshare user, let's call him Morgy, who did support Bearshare for many months. Morgy was a nice guy who spend his free time to help many other users and to build up a friendly community. This friendly community was far away from the programmers home land. Let's call this programmer talent Vinnie. As a loyal user Morgy ignored all rumours about Vinnie's bad behaviour in the home land, about dissing everything that is not Bearshare, e.g. how bad Morpheus, Xolox or their features allegedly are. Morgy used to say "Vinnie isn't Bearshare" and "Bearshare itself is a great product". Morgy believed in Bearshare overwheeling power and Bearshare is indeed quite nice, perhaps a new version is needed.
Then Morgy did start to talk with Vinnie. A big mistake, as we will find out. Morgy was curious about a awaited new Bearshare version, features or a new beta version for testing. Vinnie didn't want to tell the truth about his so called "defender project", perhaps he couldn't. Also Vinnie didn't react the friendly way on any further questions. Critic on his type to proceed, even friendly or constructive, is something this programmer doesn't want to hear. The brawl begun. Vinnie did attack Morgwen, Morgy itself started to speak back with the same loudness, critic became more personal and finally both are yelling personally against each other... southern temper from both. Nothing bad, somtimes it's helpfull to make things clear and then continue to work together again.
Hmm not in this case, Vinnie didn't want to talk with Morgy anymore and don't forget Vinnie's other loyal VIPs (and some orks and trolls). They came quickly, bitched and fight together against nobel Morgy, to intimidate him and make him silent. No, this is not a side story of 'Lord of The Rings', Vinnie isn't Sauron. However I don't want to repeat the stupid and tastless offenses from both sides. Rumours say there have been some evil mutated Nazi trolls raping Elbes, but this is just a horrible tale to scare children as far as I know. Now we are here and see this poll about kicking Morgy, deleting all his posts. What a quick fall from a loyal user to a kicked and fallen angel! And free speech is usually one of the first victim. *sigh*
But is this a sad story? No not for Morgy. Meanwhile he does not believe anymore in Bearshares advantages and he uses a few other Gnutella client (the for Bearshare believers so unholly Xolox). Together with other P2P trading systems, like Kazaa and eDonkey he is again meeting more friendly people, downloading more files, learned more about filesharing technology and is now sharing on three networks.
It might be a sad story for Bearshare and Vinnie. He lost a friendly, loyal and highly skilled user and moderator. Perhaps more will follow. The bad rumours about Vinnie and his home land are brought to a wider public...
Hope you like this tale and share your files!
The Morgy tale
There is a loyal Bearshare user, let's call him Morgy, who did support Bearshare for many months. Morgy was a nice guy who spend his free time to help many other users and to build up a friendly community. This friendly community was far away from the programmers home land. Let's call this programmer talent Vinnie. As a loyal user Morgy ignored all rumours about Vinnie's bad behaviour in the home land, about dissing everything that is not Bearshare, e.g. how bad Morpheus, Xolox or their features allegedly are. Morgy used to say "Vinnie isn't Bearshare" and "Bearshare itself is a great product". Morgy believed in Bearshare overwheeling power and Bearshare is indeed quite nice, perhaps a new version is needed.
Then Morgy did start to talk with Vinnie. A big mistake, as we will find out. Morgy was curious about a awaited new Bearshare version, features or a new beta version for testing. Vinnie didn't want to tell the truth about his so called "defender project", perhaps he couldn't. Also Vinnie didn't react the friendly way on any further questions. Critic on his type to proceed, even friendly or constructive, is something this programmer doesn't want to hear. The brawl begun. Vinnie did attack Morgwen, Morgy itself started to speak back with the same loudness, critic became more personal and finally both are yelling personally against each other... southern temper from both. Nothing bad, somtimes it's helpfull to make things clear and then continue to work together again.
Hmm not in this case, Vinnie didn't want to talk with Morgy anymore and don't forget Vinnie's other loyal VIPs (and some orks and trolls). They came quickly, bitched and fight together against nobel Morgy, to intimidate him and make him silent. No, this is not a side story of 'Lord of The Rings', Vinnie isn't Sauron. However I don't want to repeat the stupid and tastless offenses from both sides. Rumours say there have been some evil mutated Nazi trolls raping Elbes, but this is just a horrible tale to scare children as far as I know. Now we are here and see this poll about kicking Morgy, deleting all his posts. What a quick fall from a loyal user to a kicked and fallen angel! And free speech is usually one of the first victim. *sigh*
But is this a sad story? No not for Morgy. Meanwhile he does not believe anymore in Bearshares advantages and he uses a few other Gnutella client (the for Bearshare believers so unholly Xolox). Together with other P2P trading systems, like Kazaa and eDonkey he is again meeting more friendly people, downloading more files, learned more about filesharing technology and is now sharing on three networks.
It might be a sad story for Bearshare and Vinnie. He lost a friendly, loyal and highly skilled user and moderator. Perhaps more will follow. The bad rumours about Vinnie and his home land are brought to a wider public...
Hope you like this tale and share your files!
*Lollipop*
New member
No. I think who is interested in Gnutella or Vinnie can find it. Perhaps it's better to write a new tale about what happened in the past, about attacks against other gnutella clients, against Morpheus, plans about braking Gnutella into parts, etc.
killer cupcake<3
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PS: It is not 'Vinnie against Morgwen', it is Vinnie against all (all that are not 150% loyal Bearshare users).
grimeville05
New member
Oh, that's just lovely. Let's not mess up the nice, upstanding Gnutella forums with this crap, but tell everyone to go on over to Bearshare.net? Real Mature.
I don't have a problem with you, Morgwen, or Vinnie. If you two became freinds (or associates or whatever), it was through PMs E-mails, or some other Forum that i don't frequent. In any case, the falling out should stay there as well!
It's a private issue and truly ignorant to drag across 2 public forums. (You and Vinnie)
I also have to say, there are some decent people on bearshare.net. and your grouping us all together as some lower life forms speaks volumes about you.
Bearshare is still a gnutella client, and not 1/2 as bad as you suddenly make it out to be. (It works better than any other on my machine) I am no a VIP on bearshare, I don't work for freepears, frankly, i don't give a rat's *** about Vincent Falco personally. But I think it's sad that retracting your help for innocent users isn't enough...you have to actively subvert people from BS. (If I hadn't tried BS, i would have given up on Gnutella completely for the way the other clients ran on my PC)
Anyway, Thanks for all the help you offered before you let a personal grudge get in the way....Sorry if you got hurt.
I don't have a problem with you, Morgwen, or Vinnie. If you two became freinds (or associates or whatever), it was through PMs E-mails, or some other Forum that i don't frequent. In any case, the falling out should stay there as well!
It's a private issue and truly ignorant to drag across 2 public forums. (You and Vinnie)
I also have to say, there are some decent people on bearshare.net. and your grouping us all together as some lower life forms speaks volumes about you.
Bearshare is still a gnutella client, and not 1/2 as bad as you suddenly make it out to be. (It works better than any other on my machine) I am no a VIP on bearshare, I don't work for freepears, frankly, i don't give a rat's *** about Vincent Falco personally. But I think it's sad that retracting your help for innocent users isn't enough...you have to actively subvert people from BS. (If I hadn't tried BS, i would have given up on Gnutella completely for the way the other clients ran on my PC)
Anyway, Thanks for all the help you offered before you let a personal grudge get in the way....Sorry if you got hurt.
strawberrycake
New member
Yes you are right...
I see how stupid the people are on bearshare.net...
CycloCide thank you for this neutral forum here!
Morgwen
I see how stupid the people are on bearshare.net...
CycloCide thank you for this neutral forum here!
Morgwen
Yes, lets not mess up nice, upstanding Gnutella forums. The community needs someplace where we can all work together. Bearshare.net is already an ugly fragfest, so better for the battle to continue there than here. Supposedly, a bearshare.net Quake level is even being developed.
No, it's been a public issue since Vinnie started flaming anyone whose postings didn't meet with his approval. Want examples? Look at http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=1343 or at http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=359. These temper tantrums are from last May, and continue to this day. What kind of response does he expect?
The significant contributions Morgwen has made to gnet is what really speaks volumes about him. Granted, he did say ppl on bearshare.net were stupid. Morgwen, perhaps you should have said "some of the people on bearshare.net are stupid". There are also decent people there, many of whom support you.Innocent users? As opposed to guilty users? Vinnie's bad attitude has done far more to push people away from BS than anything else. It is unreasonable to expect anyone, including Morgwen, to tolerate his abusive behavior. You don't see other developers acting this way, do you?
No, it's been a public issue since Vinnie started flaming anyone whose postings didn't meet with his approval. Want examples? Look at http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=1343 or at http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=359. These temper tantrums are from last May, and continue to this day. What kind of response does he expect?
The significant contributions Morgwen has made to gnet is what really speaks volumes about him. Granted, he did say ppl on bearshare.net were stupid. Morgwen, perhaps you should have said "some of the people on bearshare.net are stupid". There are also decent people there, many of whom support you.Innocent users? As opposed to guilty users? Vinnie's bad attitude has done far more to push people away from BS than anything else. It is unreasonable to expect anyone, including Morgwen, to tolerate his abusive behavior. You don't see other developers acting this way, do you?
214 Metroline
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Hey, Morg and Moak,
I been following your thread in bearshare.net and my support is with you ppl.
The reaction of Vinnie (totally over the top) is unfair.
The "rewarding" of Evil Bear shows that it is not merit that promotes ppl on the forum, but simply support of Vinnie.
The racist remarks made against German ppl is not acceptable. The fact that the mods there favor the racists is very clear. Some posts were deleted, but only few of the many.
greets.
I been following your thread in bearshare.net and my support is with you ppl.
The reaction of Vinnie (totally over the top) is unfair.
The "rewarding" of Evil Bear shows that it is not merit that promotes ppl on the forum, but simply support of Vinnie.
The racist remarks made against German ppl is not acceptable. The fact that the mods there favor the racists is very clear. Some posts were deleted, but only few of the many.
greets.
quote:
The significant contributions Morgwen has made to gnet is what really speaks volumes about him. Granted, he did say ppl on bearshare.net were stupid. Morgwen, perhaps you should have said "some of the people on bearshare.net are stupid". There are also decent people there, many of whom support you.
Sorry!
I can
The significant contributions Morgwen has made to gnet is what really speaks volumes about him. Granted, he did say ppl on bearshare.net were stupid. Morgwen, perhaps you should have said "some of the people on bearshare.net are stupid". There are also decent people there, many of whom support you.
Sorry!
I can
None of the negative comments at BearShare.net have been deleted or edited. The proof is in the fact that anyone can go there and read them! It's all there.
Contrary to public opinion, there is no censorship at BearShare.net... only editing of extreme profanity, pornography, and racism that promotes harm to someone.
Contrary to public opinion, there is no censorship at BearShare.net... only editing of extreme profanity, pornography, and racism that promotes harm to someone.