I got my new pipes on after much foul language and busting every knuckle i've got. I love the sound but the install was horrible. I have to wonder if V&H did any fitment testing what so ever. If it weren't for the pipe expander I'd have gone completely crazy. The angled connector pipes were the same diameter as the muffler inlet! I think V&H spent all the R&D time on developing the sound and ZERO time on actual fitment. I also had to order new gaskets because the 8000+ miles on my bike were not good to the stock gaskets and I was so frustrated with the pipes fitment that I tore the stock gaskets all to pieces, as opposed to taking a hammer to the whole bike. So, in conclusion, awesome sound without the packing in the baffles. However, if your considering these pipes for your S50/VS800, be prepared for one heck of a time installing them.